Not the Bills fans I used to know

[Guest Guest]

"No question that Losman is the quarterback of the future..." ??????? hmmmmmmm.  I totally disagree with that statement based on the fact that none of us, Sal included, have any idea if this guy can play and until we do, we don't know if he is the QB of the future or the biggest bust in the history of the franchise.  We are planning for him to be our QB of the future, that much is certain but whether or not he actually is, no one knows.  We once planned for Todd Collins to be our QB of the future but that never happened, did it?  We once planned for RJ to be our QB of the future and that never happened, did it?  Fact is, whether or not JP is the QB of the future for this team is not only a question, it is the question for the next year or two. 

 

I agree that next year, this is likely JP's team, at least unless he is soundly thrashed by whatever QBs are on the roster next year in camp, even if it is Bledsoe doing the thrashing.  Otherwise, he will get the benefit of the doubt and the starting job.  What I disagree with is the idea that we should turn our remaining games into an extension of next year's preseason schedule by starting anything less than our best 11.  There will be plenty of opportunities for JP to learn in camp next year without cashing in our chips for 5 games just because we aren't in the playoffs.  This is the regular season, not training camp.

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why should losman be the starting qb next year if he's not performing as well as bledsoe? simply to get him experience? i think that's a bad idea. look at the jets -- they waited until pennington's third year, and look at them now. from the get go, pennington was good. but the word from the jets and everyone who saw him in camp the first 2 seasons was that pennington was tentative and indecisive. there's no real reason why losman should be the starter next year simply because it's his second year. if he proves to be better, then fine. if not, then stick with bledsoe, who for all his myriad flaws can make every throw and who is physically the same as he was in 1993 (same slow foot speed, same great arm).

[ICE]

why should losman be the starting qb next year if he's not performing as well as bledsoe? simply to get him experience? i think that's a bad idea.  look at the jets -- they waited until pennington's third year, and look at them now. from the get go, pennington was good. but the word from the jets and everyone who saw him in camp the first 2 seasons was that pennington was tentative and indecisive.  there's no real reason why losman should be the starter next year simply because it's his second year. if he proves to be better, then fine. if not, then stick with bledsoe, who for all his myriad flaws can make every throw and who is physically the same as he was in 1993 (same slow foot speed, same great arm).

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Yeah look at him now, on the bench injured AGAIN. Hey sit the rookie for all I care, it just delays how much you clowns get to B word and whine when he does take over and doesn't do spit thanks to sitting.

[mead107]

right on JP is the future

[IDBillzFan]

Why do you limit the application of that reasoning to just JP?

 

Exactly because JP is the presumed quarterback of the future, plain and simple. That's why he was brought in here. If Kelsay weren't starting already, I'd say you should do the same with him. Ditto for McGahee and Evans. As it turns out, the only intangible on the team right now is JP. Let's figure out if he's ready to go when there's nothing on the line so we know whether we are starting Bledsoe or Losman next year.

[Mickey]

Exactly because JP is the presumed quarterback of the future, plain and simple. That's why he was brought in here. If Kelsay weren't starting already, I'd say you should do the same with him. Ditto for McGahee and Evans. As it turns out, the only intangible on the team right now is JP. Let's figure out if he's ready to go when there's nothing on the line so we know whether we are starting Bledsoe or Losman next year.

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Why doesn't that same logic apply to perserving veterans who will clearly be starting next year? The "logic" I am talking about is fielding a team now based on what is best for the team next year. If it is okay to have winning a game this year take a back seat to giving JP a start he hasn't earned with his play to enhance our chances next year, why isn't it okay to sit Fletcher, Spikes, Clements and Adams, etc, so that they don't get hurt and will be there to help us win next year? Why also wouldn't it make sense to throw the games so that our draft position is improved?

 

How do you tell Fletcher that giving JP some learning time is more important than winning right now because we are out of the playoffs but keeping him from suffering a career ending injury in what you have determined is a meaningless game is not?

 

Again, if you think JP gives us the best shot at winning right now, fine, otherwise I don't see how you figure that these games are worth throwing away to help JP but not worth throwing away to help our draft position or help our best players avoid off season surgeries.

[Mickey]

Yeah look at him now, on the bench injured AGAIN. Hey sit the rookie for all I care, it just delays how much you clowns get to B word and whine when he does take over and doesn't do spit thanks to sitting.

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What exactly would be your rationale that leads you to conclude that a guy who has all the talent to be a star ends up a dud simply because his first start was delayed a year or two while he learned where his locker was? Favre sat his first year and would have sat his entire second year if not for an injury to Majkowski in the second game of the season. Montana sat for a season and a half. Young started for two awful years in Tampa and was just terrible. He then basically sat on the bench for the next 4 years in SF before becoming the starter. Waiting didn't seem to diminish the talent of any of these players.

[ICE]

What exactly would be your rationale that leads you to conclude that a guy who has all the talent to be a star ends up a dud simply because his first start was delayed a year or two while he learned where his locker was?  Favre sat his first year and would have sat his entire second year if not for an injury to Majkowski in the second game of the season.  Montana sat for a season and a half.  Young started for two awful years in Tampa and was just terrible.  He then basically sat on the bench for the next 4 years in SF before becoming the starter.  Waiting didn't seem to diminish the talent of any of these players.

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And look at Favres stats when he did get to start. Look at Youngs. Hell they wanted STEVE BONO Youg was so damn bad.

 

Bottom line 100 times out of 100 ONLY by being on the field starting and playing do you develop.

[VABills]

And look at Favres stats when he did get to start. Look at Youngs. Hell they wanted STEVE BONO Youg was so damn bad.

 

Bottom line 100 times out of 100 ONLY by being on the field starting and playing do you develop.

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Yeah Tom Brady won his first year starting part way through the season. Hey he even won another a couple years later. I guess all that starting the previous season helped old Tom develop.

[Rico]

Re: who plays QB next year:

 

In the end,

MM and TD are going to play who they want to, as is only right.

 

But the vast majority of Bills fans are sick of Drew and want to see JP.

The only one capable of changing their thinking is Drew himself,

and in order to achieve this,

he has to make a quantum leap in improvement over what he shown us,

not only over the past 2+ years, but over the past 2 games.

Drew has at least 5 weeks to get it done,

hopefully more if by some miracle the Bills make the playoffs....

 

It's all up to Drew.

[VABills]

And look at Favres stats when he did get to start. Look at Youngs. Hell they wanted STEVE BONO Youg was so damn bad.

 

Bottom line 100 times out of 100 ONLY by being on the field starting and playing do you develop.

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Tell me again which year Young sucked.

When he finally started in 1991, he never had a QB rating below 92. Sitting on the bench for several years, not starting and playing mop-up can be good for a QB.

Made the pro bowl 92-97, won the SB in 94, made the NFC championship game every year 92-97 except 95.

 

 

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/5649/history_young.html

 

Year Team Att. Comp. Yds. Pct. TD Int. Rat.

1984 L.A.Express - USFL 310 179 2361 57.7 10 9 80.6

1985 L.A.Express - USFL 250 137 1741 54.8 6 13 63.1

1985 Buccaneers 138 72 935 52.2 3 8 56.9

1986 Buccaneers 363 195 2282 53.7 8 13 65.5

1987 49ers 69 37 570 53.6 10 0 120.8

1988 49ers 101 54 680 53.5 3 3 72.2

1989 49ers 92 64 1001 69.6 8 3 120.8

1990 49ers 62 38 427 61.3 2 0 92.6

1991 49ers 279 180 2517 64.5 17 8 101.8

1992 49ers 402 268 3465 66.7 25 7 107.0

1993 49ers 462 314 4023 68.0 29 16 101.5

1994 49ers 461 324 3969 70.3 35 10 112.8

1995 49ers 447 299 3200 66.9 20 11 92.3

1996 49ers 316 214 2410 67.7 14 6 97.2

1997 49ers 356 241 3029 67.7 19 6 104.7

USFL 560 316 4102 56.4 16 22 72.8

NFL 3548 2300 28508 64.8 193 91 97.0

Total 4108 2616 32610 63.7 209 113 93.7

[ICE]

Tell me again which year Young sucked.

When he finally started in 1991, he never had a QB rating below 92.  Sitting on the bench for several years, not starting and playing mop-up can be good for a QB. 

Made the pro bowl 92-97, won the SB in 94, made the NFC championship game every year 92-97 except 95. 

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/5649/history_young.html

 

Year Team Att. Comp. Yds. Pct. TD Int. Rat.

1984 L.A.Express - USFL 310 179 2361 57.7 10 9 80.6

1985 L.A.Express - USFL 250 137 1741 54.8 6 13 63.1

1985 Buccaneers 138 72 935 52.2 3 8 56.9

1986 Buccaneers 363 195 2282 53.7 8 13 65.5

1987 49ers 69 37 570 53.6 10 0 120.8

1988 49ers 101 54 680 53.5 3 3 72.2

1989 49ers 92 64 1001 69.6 8 3 120.8

1990 49ers 62 38 427 61.3 2 0 92.6

1991 49ers 279 180 2517 64.5 17 8 101.8

1992 49ers 402 268 3465 66.7 25 7 107.0

1993 49ers 462 314 4023 68.0 29 16 101.5

1994 49ers 461 324 3969 70.3 35 10 112.8

1995 49ers 447 299 3200 66.9 20 11 92.3

1996 49ers 316 214 2410 67.7 14 6 97.2

1997 49ers 356 241 3029 67.7 19 6 104.7

USFL  560 316 4102 56.4 16 22 72.8

NFL  3548 2300 28508 64.8 193 91 97.0

Total  4108 2616 32610 63.7 209 113 93.7

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4 years starting exp by your own numbers BEFORE taking a snap at San fran...

 

1984 L.A.Express - USFL 310 179 2361 57.7 10 9 80.6

1985 L.A.Express - USFL 250 137 1741 54.8 6 13 63.1

1985 Buccaneers 138 72 935 52.2 3 8 56.9

1986 Buccaneers 363 195 2282 53.7 8 13 65.5

 

 

That's FOUR years as a starter in some league somewhere. and yes there was a time they wanted Steve Bono over Young.

[ICE]

"Yeah Tom Brady won his first year starting part way through the season."

 

Well damn that NFL.com how dare they say he started 14 out of 15 games. Now to me STARTING 14 games isn't exactly way into a season now is it? 14 STARTING games to prepare. Hey I would be happy if JP got FOUR this season.

[Rico]

there was a time they wanted Steve Bono over Young.

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Correct. Young was 5-6 as a starter in 1991, then Bono

went 5-0 as a starter down the stretch to finish the team at 10-6.

After that, the natives were restless.

 

Then again, some Bills fans wanted to play Reich instead of Kelly.

[VABills]

"Yeah Tom Brady won his first year starting part way through the season."

 

Well damn that NFL.com  how dare they say he started 14 out of 15 games. Now to me STARTING 14 games isn't exactly way into a season now is it?  14 STARTING games to prepare. Hey I would be happy if JP got FOUR this season.

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What? Brady started after Bledsoe got hurt.

[Alaska Darin]

4 years starting exp by your own numbers BEFORE taking a snap at San fran...

 

1984 L.A.Express - USFL 310 179 2361 57.7 10 9 80.6

1985 L.A.Express - USFL 250 137 1741 54.8 6 13 63.1

1985 Buccaneers 138 72 935 52.2 3 8 56.9

1986 Buccaneers 363 195 2282 53.7 8 13 65.5

That's FOUR years as a starter in some league somewhere. and yes there was a time they wanted Steve Bono over Young.

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But we were talking in the NFL. Neither of those franchises fit that.

 

FWIW, Young was the best QB I've ever seen in person. Amazing. Absolutely stellar.