R. Rich Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Sorry old friend, but that was a very dumb statement. Not quite. The act of drinking does not adversely affect the person standing next to the drinker, unlike second hand smoke. That said, a person's actions while drinking can affect others, but I'm not sure that the poster was referring to that. Personally, I don't care for smoking. Never have. But, this is not my world, so I just do my best to live w/ the fact that there are smokers out there. As long as they respect my space (my home, car, etc.), it's all good.
billsfreak Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Maybe the Bills organization is trying to make amends for all of the people they have caused health problems too, through stress and the anguish of watching a terrible team over the past decade. I guess if they can try to save a couple lives, it excuses, in their minds, the terrible team they put on the field. Take a life save a life. As a former smoker myself, who quit quite some time ago, I can't stand to breath in smoke now, but do sometimes wonder how discriminated against I would feel if I did still smoke. Not sure how alot of people can even afford to smoke anymore, the prices of cigs are outrageous.
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Drinking does not, by itself, affect anyone but the person doing the drinking. That person's BEHAVIOR is indeed punishable by law enforcement. Try another analogy, because that one is a big FAIL. and the one doing the driving, and the one doing the puking and the one doing the swearing and the one who can't sit in his seat... remember, don't rock the boat
K Gun Special Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 as a drinker am i then discriminated against bc i cant drink wherever i choose? such a BS argument, the discrimination one.
thebug Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 You can smoke anywhere you want in the Ralph. You just kinda cup your hand around the cigarette so ppl can't see it and don't exhale huge smoke plumes straight up in the air, and keep an eye out for security. If they notice you, they will tell you to put it out, and you just take a final drag and put it out. They don't kick you out or anything, even if the same guy warns you multiple times. No one really cares. Really? People in my section care. Last year some jackazz decides to light up a smoke, after security told him to put it out twice, the guy in the row behind him said "here, let me put that out for you" and dumped a beer on his head. Problem solved. They both had to leave.
bmur66 Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Smoking is natures way of weeding out the weak minded ones
billsfreak Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Every monday you read in the Buffalo News how many people got arrested after or during the Bills game the day before. Not sure too many of them are because they were smoking cigarettes. They need to look at the alchohol consumption a little more too, but then again taking away smoking doesn't cost Ralphy any money, taking away beer sales sure the heck would. I am a former smoker, and don't think people should be able to smoke around non-smokers, but I do think if cigarettes are legal, than in a public place, smokers should be given an area where they can smoke. The Bills make enough money, they could build a couple separate areas at the stadium, with some type of smoke eating filter system and let the smokers go kill themselves if they so desire.
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 See what happens when you drink Amstel Light?
thebug Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Every monday you read in the Buffalo News how many people got arrested after or during the Bills game the day before. Not sure too many of them are because they were smoking cigarettes. They need to look at the alchohol consumption a little more too, but then again taking away smoking doesn't cost Ralphy any money, taking away beer sales sure the heck would. I am a former smoker, and don't think people should be able to smoke around non-smokers, but I do think if cigarettes are legal, than in a public place, smokers should be given an area where they can smoke. The Bills make enough money, they could build a couple separate areas at the stadium, with some type of smoke eating filter system and let the smokers go kill themselves if they so desire. I don't smoke, but I have no problem with the current policy. If I don't want to breath it in, I don't go to that area. Pretty simple.
justnzane Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Smokers should have no rights. Zero. Nada. You want to kill yourself? Fine. Do it on your own property until they invent a way to keep your filthy smoke from infiltrating my air. And while we're at it? Throw your filthy butts in a TRASH CAN, not out your car window or wherever you happen to drop them. It's litter, jackasses. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you guys? Mind you that that tabacco use is protected by the Constitution and is a big reason that the U.S. is the country it became. Now, I am not a smoker, but it is outdoors. There has to be some arrangement that can agreeable, such as a number of smokers sections within the stadium. If you are worried about 2nd hand smoke don't buy a ticket in that section or near it. Quite frankly, I find the drunks more annoying than the smokers, as they make asses of themselves while you are trying to watch the game. While I was at the Pats game last year, I had some dip **** in a Brady jersey running by my section talking about how the Bills suck. The Pats fans in front of me shook their heads in disgust the first time, saying !@#$s like that give them a bad name. By the 3rd quarter this jackass was even more belligerent and got the attention of security, but that disrupted the fans of the section for a half. That seems worse than somebody smoking into open air.
billsfreak Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you guys? Mind you that that tabacco use is protected by the Constitution and is a big reason that the U.S. is the country it became. Now, I am not a smoker, but it is outdoors. There has to be some arrangement that can agreeable, such as a number of smokers sections within the stadium. If you are worried about 2nd hand smoke don't buy a ticket in that section or near it. Quite frankly, I find the drunks more annoying than the smokers, as they make asses of themselves while you are trying to watch the game. While I was at the Pats game last year, I had some dip **** in a Brady jersey running by my section talking about how the Bills suck. The Pats fans in front of me shook their heads in disgust the first time, saying !@#$s like that give them a bad name. By the 3rd quarter this jackass was even more belligerent and got the attention of security, but that disrupted the fans of the section for a half. That seems worse than somebody smoking into open air. Some people might say some of the food they serve is as unhealthy for you as the cigs or beer?
K Gun Special Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you guys? Mind you that that tabacco use is protected by the Constitution and is a big reason that the U.S. is the country it became. Now, I am not a smoker, but it is outdoors. There has to be some arrangement that can agreeable, such as a number of smokers sections within the stadium. If you are worried about 2nd hand smoke don't buy a ticket in that section or near it. Quite frankly, I find the drunks more annoying than the smokers, as they make asses of themselves while you are trying to watch the game. While I was at the Pats game last year, I had some dip **** in a Brady jersey running by my section talking about how the Bills suck. The Pats fans in front of me shook their heads in disgust the first time, saying !@#$s like that give them a bad name. By the 3rd quarter this jackass was even more belligerent and got the attention of security, but that disrupted the fans of the section for a half. That seems worse than somebody smoking into open air. where and/or how is it protected under the Constitution? its not and it can be made illegal under law.
Bill from NYC Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Not quite. The act of drinking does not adversely affect the person standing next to the drinker, unlike second hand smoke. That said, a person's actions while drinking can affect others, but I'm not sure that the poster was referring to that. Personally, I don't care for smoking. Never have. But, this is not my world, so I just do my best to live w/ the fact that there are smokers out there. As long as they respect my space (my home, car, etc.), it's all good. Drinking does not, by itself, affect anyone but the person doing the drinking. This was his quote. It didn't specify standing next to anyone, thus my response. People are killed by DUIs every day. A majority of domestic violence cases involve alcohol, as does a great deal of general misconduct and even criminal behavior. (Hi Marshaun and Donte!). Family after family is torn apart due to alcohol use so yeah, I am going to run with the opinion that the bolded statement is dumb.
K Gun Special Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Drinking does not, by itself, affect anyone but the person doing the drinking. This was his quote. It didn't specify standing next to anyone, thus my response. People are killed by DUIs every day. A majority of domestic violence cases involve alcohol, as does a great deal of general misconduct and even criminal behavior. (Hi Marshaun and Donte!). Family after family is torn apart due to alcohol use so yeah, I am going to run with the opinion that the bolded statement is dumb. Tobacco kills 500,000 people a year, affects all their loved ones as well. Alcohol related deaths are 80,000 year, or 420,000 less. roughly 30% of violent crime is related to alcohol.
RyanC882 Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 First smoking, then the stadium food because it is to fattening, then the alcohol goes away becuase it isn't "family friendly". Just remember that when they ban all of that and y'all started it because of smokers. It is a slippery slope that has no end!!! (I'm a non-smoker who doesn't mind smokers because they have rights too) Yep same here. I don't want to inhale second hand smoke, and think smoking is a ridiculous, money wasting idea, but if you want to do it, I’m all for your right to. They should have designated smoking areas, but they should be nicer than the zoo pens they make most smokers go to. And btw, whoever is comparing car exhaust in traffic and cigarette smoke is way off base. Those pollutants put off different chemicals and cigarette smoke is MUCH worse, even second hand.
Bill from NYC Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Tobacco kills 500,000 people a year, affects all their loved ones as well. Alcohol related deaths are 80,000 year, or 420,000 less. roughly 30% of violent crime is related to alcohol. I am sure the tobacco death rates are only a little skewed to justify huge tax increases. Btw, this is NOT to say tobacco isn't harmful, because it is quite harmful. The violent crime stats you quote warrant further explanation. For instance, if a wife cheats and her husband gets drunk and kills her, what caused the crime? Cheating? A psychotic condition? Alcohol? Do you see my point?
RyanC882 Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 To all who think Ralph is behind the smoking policy, my guess is that its a New York State law regarding where people can smoke in stadiums.
devldog131 Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Tobacco kills 500,000 people a year, affects all their loved ones as well. Alcohol related deaths are 80,000 year, or 420,000 less. roughly 30% of violent crime is related to alcohol. I'd like to see a link to this info, if there indeed is one, and you didn't pull these numbers out of your overly pious, holier-than-thou rear end...
Bill from NYC Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 To all who think Ralph is behind the smoking policy, my guess is that its a New York State law regarding where people can smoke in stadiums. That is correct.
bills_fan Posted May 5, 2010 Posted May 5, 2010 Really? People in my section care. Last year some jackazz decides to light up a smoke, after security told him to put it out twice, the guy in the row behind him said "here, let me put that out for you" and dumped a beer on his head. Problem solved. They both had to leave. And that is the problem. The jackazz decided to light up in the seats. He should be gone. If you want a smoke, you simply walk outside near the gate. Doesn't bother anyone, as the non-smokers are either inside the stadium watching the game or at the concession area. Only the smokers walk far away to the gates. No problem with that...it separates the people who want a smoke from those who don't want smoke near them. I really don't see how that policy adversely affects anyone as long as everyone follows the rules. To all who think Ralph is behind the smoking policy, my guess is that its a New York State law regarding where people can smoke in stadiums. Not sure about that. The state says you cannot smoke indoors. OK. But the stadium has outdoor areas as well. The stadium restricts smoking to small areas near the gate. Not that state, to my knowledge. And I have no problem restricting smoking to the small areas near the gate. My issue is when they ban even those small areas and you cannot have a smoke without actually walking outside the gate into the parking lot (and re-entry is prohibited BTW).
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