Thanks Leonidas

[Green Lightning]

TG comes on this board, not under some alias, and traffics with fans on his own time. Some punk, hiding behind a alias screws up a good thing for all of us. I say ban him from the page. If you don't agree with an opinion, fine. do so with some class and act responsibly. I'm sick of all the punks swearing and intimidating others because they can do so in anonymity.

 

Maybe they do it because that's the only way they can feel good about themselves.....what's the matter Leonidas, was somebody mean to you as a little kid and now you have to work out your demons on TSW?

 

Hey Tim, you have a ton of support on the wall. Don't let a coward punk keep you from posting again.

[Lurker]

For a good number of years now, the board has been less about sharing information than it has giving a soapbox to children who want nothing more than to "listen to themselves talk", so to speak.

Yep, that sound like PPP to me...

[Coach Tuesday]

I don't think Tim is being over-sensitive. He's already putting himself in a somewhat difficult position by posting here for free while employed by ESPN to basically do the same thing. So it only compounds the problem when his employer gets attacked on this forum (whether or not the attack is justified), especially in the very same thread that Tim is involved in. I don't really blame him. He was offering us a free service and we chased him away.

 

Note, I do think it's somewhat different with respect to the local sportswriters who post here from time to time. If you act like a regular poster (start threads, add your opinions and insights, etc.), you wade into the forray and you're fair game like everyone else here.

 

But that's not what happened with Tim. As I said, he was providing a service on his off-time, and he was forced to start defending his employer for God knows what stupid reason.

[BucksNBills]

I thought Leonidas' spew was near genius and if bringing to light the interminable reporting and monopolistic tendencies of Tim's employer is what drove him away, then good riddance. Don't be so sensitive, and have the ability to separate yourself from your network on boards like this.

 

 

That being said, maybe it wasn't a good idea to preach this on a Tim Graham answer forum.

[DC Tom]

I will say that reading the exchange, I didn't think Leonidas went all that much overboard, and his overall point is well-taken (as was TG's rejoinder of: "don't click on that stuff if you don't like it.")

 

I think he went overboard in directing his complaints about ESPN content at Tim.

 

And I disagree with Tim's response to it: Leonidas' post didn't deserve to be taken NEARLY as seriously as Tim took it. It should have been ignored, as it's not Tim's responsibility to field complaints about ESPN content.

 

But Leonidas was out of line with his post. It was relatively inoccuous, I thought, but completely (and offensively) out of place. It had all the politeness and maturity of a fart in an elevator.

[CountDorkula]

I agree. Par for the course.

 

I will say that reading the exchange, I didn't think Leonidas went all that much overboard, and his overall point is well-taken (as was TG's rejoinder of: "don't click on that stuff if you don't like it.")

 

 

Except the Thread was devoted to asking Tim questions, and i bet the last thing he expected was to see was a post bashing one of his best friends, his company and pretty much him. It was not Tims job to open that thread but did it on the basis of going out of his way to interact with fans.

[DC Tom]

Yep, that sound like PPP to me...

 

Hey, we had a good discussion there last month! I think we may have had as many as two last year.

 

Beats discussing Gilbram FitzBrohmWards for the umpteen-millionth time, at least.

[MarkAF43]

I thought Leonidas' spew was near genius and if bringing to light the interminable reporting and monopolistic tendencies of Tim's employer is what drove him away, then good riddance. Don't be so sensitive, and have the ability to separate yourself from your network on boards like this.

 

 

Are you really that thick headed??? Tim cannot come onto this board and separate his network from himself. Anything he posts is fair game for viewing and people will look and say wow, TG said this, he works for ESPN, that must be what ESPN thinks.

 

This is the idiotic nature that has dropped the intelligence of this board to insanely low levels

[Coach Tuesday]

Just a suggestion, perhaps Tim would eventually return under an enhanced-moderated thread, where questions get pre-screened. Lori & Co., I don't know whether you'd want to take that on (and I agree that you shouldn't have to, but it is what it is). Just a thought.

[DC Tom]

Are you really that thick headed??? Tim cannot come onto this board and separate his network from himself. Anything he posts is fair game for viewing and people will look and say wow, TG said this, he works for ESPN, that must be what ESPN thinks.

 

This is the idiotic nature that has dropped the intelligence of this board to insanely low levels

 

 

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...t&p=1849143

 

Re: the discussion about the "fourth wall"

[metzelaars_lives]

Are you really that thick headed??? Tim cannot come onto this board and separate his network from himself. Anything he posts is fair game for viewing and people will look and say wow, TG said this, he works for ESPN, that must be what ESPN thinks.

 

This is the idiotic nature that has dropped the intelligence of this board to insanely low levels

 

I interpreted the guy's post to be more of a commentary on the state of sports reporting using this twitter thing as an actual news source and not as much a personal attack. I think the whole twitter phenomenon is childish and I can't believe that grown men reference it in their reporting.

[DC Tom]

I interpreted the guy's post to be more of a commentary on the state of sports reporting using this twitter thing as an actual news source and not as much a personal attack. I think the whole twitter phenomenon is childish and I can't believe that grown men refernce it in their reporting.

 

Grown men? We still talking about reporters?

 

 

[Green Lightning]

I thought Leonidas' spew was near genius and if bringing to light the interminable reporting and monopolistic tendencies of Tim's employer is what drove him away, then good riddance. Don't be so sensitive, and have the ability to separate yourself from your network on boards like this.

 

 

That being said, maybe it wasn't a good idea to preach this on a Tim Graham answer forum.

 

 

Then go start you own page with your buddy and p*ss all day on eveyone else. The guy was out of line and you seem to enjoy that. Maybe you and your bud Leonidas can include the "Complete Works of Jerry Sullivan" on your new page to set the tone for your p*ss fest.

[DanInUticaTampa]

I think the whole twitter phenomenon is childish and I can't believe that grown men refernce it in their reporting.

 

Referencing what people are saying is "childish?"

 

So, yeah, if a player says on twitter "injury has healed. I can play the next game" it is childish to use that to explain that a player is going to be able to play the next game? Come on.....

 

His commentary was NOT on twitter (maybe as a subtopic). It was specifically on ESPN's main page being "flooded" with twitter stuff. And there isn't ANY twitter stuff on the main page. If you go to the nfl part, it is a small box towards the middle of the page and it is about the same size as advertisements. He was making it seem like twitter was plastered over all the articles and all over the page. And that is untrue. What he was complaining about was one little box and he made it seem like it was all over the main page. It just isn't true. I am not a huge fan of espn, but he was just wrong in saying this stuff was flooding the website.

[CountDorkula]

I interpreted the guy's post to be more of a commentary on the state of sports reporting using this twitter thing as an actual news source and not as much a personal attack. I think the whole twitter phenomenon is childish and I can't believe that grown men refernce it in their reporting.

 

It's called using resources to gain profit cheif. Twitter is one of the fastest growing social networking sites. ESPN is smart and using it to their full advantage. They can take a large amount of info and get it out quick ie: Player A traded to Team A for Player B. Then get the full article printed later. ESPN wants to be know for "Heard it here first" and they do a damn good job at it.

 

Whats childish is a grown man or preceived to be grown man(poster on TBD) attacking someone doing a favor to this board(TG) because he does not like twitter. Telling someone to tell one of their best friend to STFU and then going back and basically mocking him by saying "Guess thats a no" Whats more childish?

 

ESPN does a great job at providing information to sports fans just like me and you. Yea they may overkill things sometimes, but they are only doing their job.

[GG]

Perhaps Tim should enlist the same bartender as jw. Seems to work for the canuck on his visits here.

[DanInUticaTampa]

It's called using resources to gain profit cheif. Twitter is one of the fastest growing social networking sites. ESPN is smart and using it to their full advantage.

 

Just like every other successful company. Pretty much every major business and a lot of small businesses use this as a marketing and PR tool. Attacking ESPN for using it is just odd when everyone from mcdonalds, CNN, amazon, Sports Illustrated, Wall Street Journal, and everyone is using it to grow their businesses is using it as well.

[uncle flap]

I thought Leonidas' spew was near genius and if bringing to light the interminable reporting and monopolistic tendencies of Tim's employer is what drove him away, then good riddance. Don't be so sensitive, and have the ability to separate yourself from your network on boards like this.

 

That being said, maybe it wasn't a good idea to preach this on a Tim Graham answer forum.

 

I won't attack you for claiming that Leonidas's rant was near genius, only bc you realized that it didn't belong there. Too bad he didn't.

 

 

I interpreted the guy's post to be more of a commentary on the state of sports reporting using this twitter thing as an actual news source and not as much a personal attack. I think the whole twitter phenomenon is childish and I can't believe that grown men reference it in their reporting.

 

Why not start a thread on the state of sports reporting then?

And I use twitter for a variety of things - admittedly some of them "childish," but don't knock something you haven't tried or fail to understand. As a news aggregator, twitter is on par with anything else.

[MattyT]

I interpreted the guy's post to be more of a commentary on the state of sports reporting using this twitter thing as an actual news source and not as much a personal attack. I think the whole twitter phenomenon is childish and I can't believe that grown men reference it in their reporting.

An accurate fact is an accurate fact regardless of its source. The ease of Twitter has enabled people who are in a position to obtain accurate facts to share them with shlubs like us who would otherwise go without knowing. I appreciate that, even if I do have to occasionally hear about what that same person had on their hot dog that day.

[Lori]

I thought Leonidas' spew was near genius and if bringing to light the interminable reporting and monopolistic tendencies of Tim's employer is what drove him away, then good riddance. Don't be so sensitive, and have the ability to separate yourself from your network on boards like this.

 

That being said, maybe it wasn't a good idea to preach this on a Tim Graham answer forum.

Why? The people who kept crapping on him didn't seem to be able to.