Nice job, Phillies fan.

[The Poojer]

i would like to see some strange kid running around your house simply twirling a t-shirt over his head...yeah i know its kind of a stretch, but a cousin of mine in silver creek were reminiscing about a story i have shared here where there was 'just some guy' running through his house....guy was so frigging out of line running on to the field.....as many others have pointed out...ask Coach Gamboa...ask Billy Spears(is that the sgt pepper guy or the astro)...ask monica seles.....screw that little snot nosed 17 year old young adult....with what is going on in this world with crazy people....i am glad the cop tazed his scrawny behind....and btw...i love the look of terror on his face as the cop was chasing him...it was justified.....but thebug...you are more than welcome to your feelings to the contrary....doesn't mean either one of us is right or wrong...simply differences of opinions...and don't ever be afraid to express yours.....

 

Yep, just like I've seen hundreds of times before. All of them resolved without the use of a taser.

 

Oh, I also see a cop really pissed that he couldn't catch the kid.

 

EDIT: I wonder if the Phillies think it was necessary? LINK

[thebug]

Before the Taser, we beat people with sticks. Before we had sticks we punched and kicked the bad guys. Do you really want to go back to the old days? I don't. Technology has made law enforcement so much safer and efficient - even over the last 10 years. The Taser is another example.

 

I know you just didn't compare a criminal offense to a non criminal infraction to try to prove your point. If you intended to do so, you just showed how truly ignorant you are.

 

 

Just because you did it, doesn't make that right either. Now the police won't be chasing them in Philly. I think that speaks volumes.

[Sig1Hunter]

Just because you did it, doesn't make that right either. Now the police won't be chasing them in Philly. I think that speaks volumes.

 

It speaks volumes to you because you take things out of context and don't have any kind of understanding of the situation. You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. Did you see in the article that you linked where it says the the officer has been cleared and the use of force was justified? That's all that matters. It doesn't matter what public opinion is. It doesn't matter what the Phillies do. It doesn't matter what the ACLU thinks. It doesn't matter what the AMA thinks. Did my reply about the reasoning behind the Taser make any sense whatsoever to you?

[thebug]

It speaks volumes to you because you take things out of context and don't have any kind of understanding of the situation. You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. Did you see in the article that you linked where it says the the officer has been cleared and the use of force was justified? That's all that matters. It doesn't matter what public opinion is. It doesn't matter what the Phillies do. It doesn't matter what the ACLU thinks. It doesn't matter what the AMA thinks. Did my reply about the reasoning behind the Taser make any sense whatsoever to you?

 

 

I would expect nothing less. It was not necessary and the cops backing the cops doesn't make it so.

[Sig1Hunter]

Just because you did it, doesn't make that right either. Now the police won't be chasing them in Philly. I think that speaks volumes.

 

BTW - you offer only critical responses. You don't offer any solutions other then the token "stop eating doughnuts you fat cop" one. That doesn't fly. You don't want police to use Tasers. You don't want police to use batons. You don't want police to use impact weapons of any type. If you were Chief thebug, what would you propose? And, from what I can glean from your earlier posts, police aren't allowed to take any action until a serious crime is committed. If a guy breaks into your house and holds a gun to your head, I can't shoot him until he shoots you - by that logic.

[Sig1Hunter]

I would expect nothing less. It was not necessary and the cops backing the cops doesn't make it so.

 

Classic.

[Steely Dan]

I'm not saying let the kid go, I'm saying IMO that was excessive force. What did they do before the taser? They must have had a hard time getting these games completed with not being about to stop them. Funny this is the first time I have heard of this happening a a professional sporting event. How come they haven't been tasering people who do this kind of stuff for the past 8 years? This happens all the time, why is he the first to be tasered?

 

How you ever broken the law before? Jaywalked? speeding? Do you think a cop should have tasered you, just in case you were about to do something?

 

Before the taser cops put their own lives and limbs in greater danger. The taser doesn't make them have to do that as much anymore.

 

You can't be seriously comparing being tased for no reason with being tased after repeated verbal attempts have been ignored can you? If I was jaywalking and a cop told me to get down, I'd get down and then I'd follow the rest of his orders. I'm willing to bet that I wouldn't be tased in any situation where I cooperated with law enforcement.

 

What is so hard to understand about the correlation between breaking the law and consequences? If you break the law by refusing to surrender to a police offficer then bad doodoo is gonna happen. If you don't like it. Don't resist.

 

Yep, just like I've seen hundreds of times before. All of them resolved without the use of a taser.

 

Oh, I also see a cop really pissed that he couldn't catch the kid.

 

EDIT: I wonder if the Phillies think it was necessary? LINK

 

From your link;

Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey examined video of the arrest and determined that the officer acted within department guidelines, which allow officers to use Tasers on fleeing suspects.

 

If the Phillies want to limit their access to only helping when being asked then great, but it doesn't change my opinion one bit.

[Sig1Hunter]

Before the taser cops put their own lives and limbs in greater danger. The taser doesn't make them have to do that as much anymore.

 

You can't be seriously comparing being tased for no reason with being tased after repeated verbal attempts have been ignored can you? If I was jaywalking and a cop told me to get down, I'd get down and then I'd follow the rest of his orders. I'm willing to bet that I wouldn't be tased in any situation where I cooperated with law enforcement.

 

What is so hard to understand about the correlation between breaking the law and consequences? If you break the law by refusing to surrender to a police offficer then bad doodoo is gonna happen. If you don't like it. Don't resist.

 

 

 

From your link;

Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey examined video of the arrest and determined that the officer acted within department guidelines, which allow officers to use Tasers on fleeing suspects.

 

If the Phillies want to limit their access to only helping when being asked then great, but it doesn't change my opinion one bit.

 

I couldn't have said it better myself...Responses like these are why I participate in your fantasy football league, dude. And why I kick your butt, too!

[Steely Dan]

I couldn't have said it better myself...Responses like these are why I participate in your fantasy football league, dude. And why I kick your butt, too!

 

Butt kicking?! I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

I guess I get some solace from your opinion on my post. Anyhoo, don't cry when I kick your ass this year.

[thebug]

BTW - you offer only critical responses. You don't offer any solutions other then the token "stop eating doughnuts you fat cop" one. That doesn't fly. You don't want police to use Tasers. You don't want police to use batons. You don't want police to use impact weapons of any type. If you were Chief thebug, what would you propose? And, from what I can glean from your earlier posts, police aren't allowed to take any action until a serious crime is committed. If a guy breaks into your house and holds a gun to your head, I can't shoot him until he shoots you - by that logic.

 

Like I said earlier, every situation is different. I think in this case it should have been handled the same way these types of situations have been handled in the past and the same as it was handled the next night. I think any reasonable human being could see that this was a jackass kid screwing around waving a towel over his head, not a gun.

 

I want cops not to treat tasers as a quick fix. Not "!@#$ it tase the punk and toss him in the car".

 

I'm sure there are plenty of times where the taser is the safest way to get the job done, this was not one of them.

 

Way to compare what this kid did, to someone holding a gun to someones head.

 

I know you feel like you have to stick up for your own, it's what cops do and it's what I would do if I was a cop. However IMO this was lazy police work.

[thebug]

Before the taser cops put their own lives and limbs in greater danger. The taser doesn't make them have to do that as much anymore.

 

You can't be seriously comparing being tased for no reason with being tased after repeated verbal attempts have been ignored can you? If I was jaywalking and a cop told me to get down, I'd get down and then I'd follow the rest of his orders. I'm willing to bet that I wouldn't be tased in any situation where I cooperated with law enforcement.

 

What is so hard to understand about the correlation between breaking the law and consequences? If you break the law by refusing to surrender to a police offficer then bad doodoo is gonna happen. If you don't like it. Don't resist.

 

 

 

From your link;

Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey examined video of the arrest and determined that the officer acted within department guidelines, which allow officers to use Tasers on fleeing suspects.

 

If the Phillies want to limit their access to only helping when being asked then great, but it doesn't change my opinion one bit.

 

 

Because when you break the law, the consequences come on your day in court, not during your arrest.

[billsrcursed]

Like I said earlier, every situation is different. I think in this case it should have been handled the same way these types of situations have been handled in the past and the same as it was handled the next night. I think any reasonable human being could see that this was a jackass kid screwing around waving a towel over his head, not a gun.

 

I want cops not to treat tasers as a quick fix. Not "!@#$ it tase the punk and toss him in the car".

 

I'm sure there are plenty of times where the taser is the safest way to get the job done, this was not one of them.

 

Way to compare what this kid did, to someone holding a gun to someones head.

 

I know you feel like you have to stick up for your own, it's what cops do and it's what I would do if I was a cop. However IMO this was lazy police work.

 

Well I'm not a cop, so I'm not sticking up "for my own".

 

I just hope you don't have kids. If you do, I hope some nut job doesn't come running around swirling a towel in your yard while your kids are playing. Not because of the nutjob, but because you would just sit there and wait for him to get tired.

 

You hippies amaze me sometimes with your logic....

[Jim in Anchorage]

Because when you break the law, the consequences come on your day in court, not during your arrest.

Unless you resist.

[thebug]

Well I'm not a cop, so I'm not sticking up "for my own".

 

I just hope you don't have kids. If you do, I hope some nut job doesn't come running around swirling a towel in your yard while your kids are playing. Not because of the nutjob, but because you would just sit there and wait for him to get tired.

 

You hippies amaze me sometimes with your logic....

 

 

I do have children and I would do what ever was necessary to protect them. But I can't assume everyone on the streets is a child molester and overreact. There are plenty of dangerous people in the world, but we can't tackle every East Indian guy with a backpack on running for the subway, just in case.

 

I'm no hippie. Just someone who believes in people's rights.

[thebug]

Unless you resist.

 

 

No, then the resist arrest charge is added and that is dealt with in court as well. their job is to arrest me, not punish me.

[billsrcursed]

I do have children and I would do what ever was necessary to protect them. But I can't assume everyone on the streets is a child molester and overreact. There are plenty of dangerous people in the world, but we can't tackle every East Indian guy with a backpack on running for the subway, just in case.

 

I'm no hippie. Just someone who believes in people's rights.

 

Agreed. But my example wasn't that of some random guy on the street. It was relevant to what we're discussing here in the first place; someone trespassing and posing a potential threat to others.

 

Agree to disagree I guess. My stance is once someone breaks the law and then attempts to elude police, they should be tased. Yours is to wait and see if they truly pose a threat first. Good luck with that....

[Jim in Anchorage]

No, then the resist arrest charge is added and that is dealt with in court as well. their job is to arrest me, not punish me.

Whats the old phrase? "you are under arrest. We can make it easy or we can make it hard" It was the kids choice to make it hard.

[Cornerville]

Im always amazed how many responses on this site are generated from anything involving tasing.

[Sig1Hunter]

Im always amazed how many responses on this site are generated from anything involving tasing.

Stupidity breeds interest, I suppose.

[thebug]

Stupidity breeds interest, I suppose.

 

Of course you are right, you are a cop after all.