went to a Packers Message board

[Clippers of Nfl]

and asked them their thoughts on Brian Brohm. This is what they said. I posted this on buffalobills.com and I thought I would put it on here.

http://www.packerforum.com/packer-fan-foru...rian-brohm.html

nice work. some poster said he gets the "deer in headlights" look and couldnt make the transition to nfl.

 

i know. just one guys opinion. BUT, THAT IS AN OPINION I DONT WANT SAID ABOUT A QB ON OUR ROSTER!

 

i will judge him during preseason and see if that poster was right.

[RealityCheck]

I love how some over simplify what really went down in GB. The tunnel vision some people on here is astonishing, especially given how cheap Brohm is for us compared to his potential and how this is a total win win for the Buffalo Bills. It gives us a chance of developing a franchise guy who is first round talented with little financial commitment while we draft and develop players at our other many many holes. There is very LITTLE risk here and potential for a big reward.

 

GB and Brohm:

 

1 GB placed him on PS because they couldnt carry 3 active QB's given needs at other positions, and when you are a SB contender you have to do what gives you the best chance to win, and carrying 3 QB's while remaining thin at another area of need is not what teams concerned about winning do.

2 Flynn is much better than posters who only know big names give him credit for

3 GB loves Flynn

4 Flynn and Brohm were drafted together and one needed to backup Rodgers immediately and they felt Flynn adjusted faster to the speed of the game

5 Several teams came into grab Brohm off he PS, but he chose us because we offered the best chance to compete since we didnt have an entrenched starter

6 GB hoped to stash him there and then offered him a contract to be on the active roster despite not having room for him just to keep him when teams came in to grab him

7 GB said they had never seen a player pick up the play book as fast as he did

8 Brohm was highly productive in a pro style system

Using so many words only makes an invalid opinion more ambiguous. They did not even try to get trade value for him, they just cast him off after one season. I am not saying he can't be good, but if I were to wager money that he is our future it would have to be my dollar to at least your 50.

[mob16151]

Using so many words only makes an invalid opinion more ambiguous. They did not even try to get trade value for him, they just cast him off after one season. I am not saying he can't be good, but if I were to wager money that he is our future it would have to be my dollar to at least your 50.

 

 

Reading comprehension, isnt your thing is it?

[RealityCheck]

Reading comprehension, isnt your thing is it?

When it's regurgitated nonsense that an organization spews out to cover the fact that they completely blew a 2nd round pick and didn't even feel like he had trade value at that point for even a 7th rounder then yeah, I try not to let it sink in. Some of you guys get hooked on b******* that you read second hand and refuse to think for yourself. Actions speak louder than words, and that is what you clearly don't comprehend. Nice use of the comma by the way.

[please stop the pain]

Gangster rap isn't a bad thing, haven't you heard? It's high culture that links people to their roots. Just pick up a copy of "Rolling Stone" and you'll learn.

 

Jello Biafra had it right in "Holiday in Cambodia."

 

Trust this man's words. He hath quoted the 'Dead Kennedys'. Joe in Macungie must be a man of vision. Doesn't relate to football at all, but nice tangent

[Jeffery Lester]

good post props to you.

[Sisyphean Bills]

8 Brohm was highly productive in a pro style system

 

He played for Petrino at Louisville. Bobby Petrino of the "power/spread offense".

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/sports/f.../12falcons.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/foot...ffense.petrino/

[C.Biscuit97]

This is another area where I think you are missing the boat...some casual fans on here who know nothing of Brohm outside of Buffalo may be doing this, but the ones who have supported his acquisition from the get go are basing their desires to see him play based on his potential, not the one game against Atl.

 

And as far as brohm in preseason...he barely played...you act like he got 3 quarters of work each game. And this last year, he wasnt getting any reps with the first and second units as the two guys ahead of him were entrenched at QB1 and QB2...

 

I have several Packer fan friends, and they all say the same thing. They didnt get to see enough of him and wished they would have kept him because they hated losing a 2nd round pick for literally nothing.

 

And I dont understand with your fascination with putting so MUCH emphasis on a QB's development in his first 1 and half years in the league, especially one who never got any real experience on the field to develop and adjust to the speed of the game.

 

I don't care what argument you come up with, there isnt any logical point you can make that will convince me that this staff doesnt currently know more than GB about where Brohm is right now than where he was last off season.

 

 

Good post that is spot on. But people will probably just chose to ignore it because it contains facts. And peopel act like Flynn is some scrub 7th rounder. He was the starting QB for the national champs.

 

For some reason, everything here has to be black or white, right or wrong. If you think Brohm will be a savior and win a Super Bowl here, you're probably delusional. However if you think Brohm just sucks and doesn't deserve a shot to compete for the job because the Packers cut him, that's pretty short sighted too.

 

He has proven as much as any Qb drafted last weekend. If he was in the draft this year, he'd probably be the 2nd QB off the board. Who knows if that will translate but why not let him compete for a job?

[oak tree 12]

Yeah I seen that statement about Meredith...chuckled because I to loved what I seen from Meredith last season gettting thrown into the fire...he looked veryyyyyyy stable for a guy that wasn't even on the squad the week before...that tells me alot about his ability...plus he's one of the few OLinemen that didn't give up any sacks last season...he can actually pass block...wow...I think he'll be a very solid RT...maybe if we used him more at LT we could really see if he's got the future many think he does....I'm more comfortable with that than friggen Bell...green can play RT...he's not a liability...only gave up a sack last season with the Raiders...

 

do a google search on meridith and you will be amazed. everyone had him pegged to go in the second round and some in the first.

 

some even said he could be the best tackle in the draft class.

 

he has all the talent in the world and the smarts also. i have to give the bills kudos for stealing him from the packers if he gained 20 LBS he just may be our new LT or RT this year.

 

however everywhere i read they all said his natural position is LT and he player 38 games in collage and 28 in a row @@ LT @ Louisville.

 

maybe we found our LT after all and none of us but buddy and galiey know it!

[truth on hold]

Fine. The GB coaching staff felt so highly of Brohm, they waived him.

 

TWICE.

Thats been my point all along. The only ones with a real clue of what Brohm was doing there were the coaches. The message board fans are just blow hards trying to sound informed.

[disco]

Thats been my point all along. The only ones with a real clue of what Brohm was doing there were the coaches. The message board fans are just blow hards trying to sound informed.

 

That's true but...

 

Mark Brunnell was sent to Jacksonville from GB as a 2nd round QB pick before getting a chance to play.

Johnny Unitas was cut by the Steelers and then the Colts picked him up.

While Favre was traded, Atlanta did decide to move him on to GB.

Steve Young was pretty terrible in Tampa Bay before going to San Francisco.

 

 

That's all I've got. I'm actually with you - I don't want to hang my hat on a 2nd round QB another team was willing to cut. It's a pretty rare thing for that to work out.

[RealityCheck]

That's true but...

 

Mark Brunnell was sent to Jacksonville from GB as a 2nd round QB pick before getting a chance to play.

Johnny Unitas was cut by the Steelers and then the Colts picked him up.

While Favre was traded, Atlanta did decide to move him on to GB.

Steve Young was pretty terrible in Tampa Bay before going to San Francisco.

 

 

That's all I've got. I'm actually with you - I don't want to hang my hat on a 2nd round QB another team was willing to cut. It's a pretty rare thing for that to work out.

Good points brother. Which of these guys were waived twice by the teams that drafted them after 1 year though that were first day picks? Brohm wasn't even traded.

[disco]

Good points brother. Which of these guys were waived twice by the teams that drafted them after 1 year though that were first day picks? Brohm wasn't even traded.

 

Haha...well right that's why I had to include the traded players. I can't think of any first day guys waived once, let alone twice that went on to start on other teams.

[EastRochBillsfan]

Brohm is trash just face it I mean some of us bills fans want a QB so bad they get blinded. Only time well tell and you will see this brohm dude sucks then we'll have a laugh (or be pissed see todd collins, rob johnson, JP loserman) then move on...

OR, it could go the other way. you really don't know. I don't know.nobody knows. maybe another mans trash is another mans treasure. maybe we'll have a laugh insteadbecause he becomes a good qb like a.rodgers did? the only thing you are positively right about is that time will tell. most of us brohm lovers just see some potential and want him to get a chance to suceed. I don't know why some of you guys gotta come out and say he sucks when he really hasn't had a chance to prove himself. he IS A BILL, he's on our team, shouldn't you want him to do well?

 

LMAO at you comparing McNabb to this situation...he would be an upgrade to 75% of the teams in the NFL...no one is saying they are so content with our guys that they would pass up a top 10 QB in this league.

 

As far as what I said about the fans...I still stand by it. There are several (and I only named a couple) instances that are clear that they didnt pay that much attention to him. And YES, he was off the Radar...Brohm was an inusrance policy for Rodgers and was NEVER going to be given any chance to start his rookie year. It was always going to be Rodgers as he had 3 years to learn the system. Brohm, who didnt adjust to the speed as quickly as Flynn, spent most of his time with the 3rd unit and PS in GB and barely saw the field at all.

 

And, this crap about how the fans got to see him for 2 training camps...what are you talking about...none of them saw him in training camp, all they got to see was the very limited duty in preseason.

 

And as far as your so called boast about GB knowing more about where Brohm is RIGHT NOW...how does that even make sense? They have NO IDEA how he has progressed to this point...he hasnt been with the players who play since last training camp as he went onto the PS after that. They have no idea, especially the fans there, where Brohm is right now...clearly, he is further along then he was there as our staff deems him worthy of an open QB competition and a chance to start (so much so that we continuously passed on QB's with potential in the draft).

 

nice rebuttal but from a later post he just isn't getting it. I feel like you've made the better points. very frustrating, isn't it?

 

You and Alpha should not be focusing on the name "McNabb". The name of the QB is irrelevant. I mentioned McNabb because he was the only QB that was considered to be starting quality, in that he could come to Buffalo and start immediately.

 

The point was the Bills attempted to sign a QB to be the starter. If the Bills were really comfortable with who they already had, they would not be willing to sign another QB.

I think you are WAY off here. He can't say it any simpler. McNabb would have been an upgrade for many teams. That in no way says that they they don't think brohm can be a good qb .It just says they liked mcnabb better. and WHY wouldn't they? he is a very good established qb. Would't the BEST scenario have been to let brohm and maybe even edwards develop behind the likes of donavan mcnabb? who could blame them for wanting to do that? this attempt to upgrade the qb position in no way proves your point that the bills arent comfortable with who they have. they would have drafted a qb higher if that was the case.

[Sisyphean Bills]

Steve Young was pretty terrible in Tampa Bay before going to San Francisco.

This is an often repeated falsehood. Young was on a team full of guys that expected to lose, lost, and couldn't have cared less. Steve Young was not the problem and crediting him for the general insouciance and failure of the Bucs organization is revisionist. Farm teams often have players that go on to do better things with teams that are actually trying to compete for championships.

[Cynical]

I think you are WAY off here. He can't say it any simpler. McNabb would have been an upgrade for many teams. That in no way says that they they don't think brohm can be a good qb .It just says they liked mcnabb better. and WHY wouldn't they? he is a very good established qb. Would't the BEST scenario have been to let brohm and maybe even edwards develop behind the likes of donavan mcnabb? who could blame them for wanting to do that? this attempt to upgrade the qb position in no way proves your point that the bills arent comfortable with who they have. they would have drafted a qb higher if that was the case.

 

Um, no. Like Alpha, you guys are stuck on a "name", and you associate that "name" to a self opinionated ranking or "value".

And since the Bills went after such a "highly ranked" QB, you assume the ONLY reason the Bills went after said QB was due to the QB being so "highly ranked".

 

Then you turn around and justify your argument by declaring since the Bills did NOT draft a QB earlier in the draft, it only makes sense they are truly comfortable with who they already have.

 

Let me apply your train of thought to a different position. Since the Bills did NOT draft a LT, nor did they acquire one via trade or free agency, then it must mean the Bills are truly comfortable with who they have at that position. Correct?

 

Except Nix/Gailey did state, before the draft, the LT (and the QB) position was a problem that needed to be addressed. But they wanted starters, and they were not going to overpay to acquire them. They also said all the problems were not going to be addressed in one year.

 

And the failure of the Bills to acquire players to fill those positions is NOT necessarily a hearty endorsement of the players they already have, but more of an admittance nobody else has met their criteria.

 

Again, it's not about McNabb, it's about the Bills trying to acquire a starting QB.

If the Bills were truly comfortable about Brohm, Edwards, or Fitzpatrick starting, they would not be wasting time trying to acquire one.

[bladiebla]

 

Honestly what is it that you guys see that you like there? I see a slow QB with a very singular vision, hitting predefined routes on wide open receivers who in turn receive hardly any pressure (yes there are a few exceptions in the vid, few). Makes one a college hero but a NFL bum imho.

 

If you read the GB post and filter out the college hero stuff you are left with an awfull QB per GB fan perspective.

 

Akili Smith anyone?

[Alphadawg7]

Um, no. Like Alpha, you guys are stuck on a "name", and you associate that "name" to a self opinionated ranking or "value".

And since the Bills went after such a "highly ranked" QB, you assume the ONLY reason the Bills went after said QB was due to the QB being so "highly ranked".

 

Then you turn around and justify your argument by declaring since the Bills did NOT draft a QB earlier in the draft, it only makes sense they are truly comfortable with who they already have.

 

Let me apply your train of thought to a different position. Since the Bills did NOT draft a LT, nor did they acquire one via trade or free agency, then it must mean the Bills are truly comfortable with who they have at that position. Correct?

 

Except Nix/Gailey did state, before the draft, the LT (and the QB) position was a problem that needed to be addressed. But they wanted starters, and they were not going to overpay to acquire them. They also said all the problems were not going to be addressed in one year.

 

And the failure of the Bills to acquire players to fill those positions is NOT necessarily a hearty endorsement of the players they already have, but more of an admittance nobody else has met their criteria.

 

Again, it's not about McNabb, it's about the Bills trying to acquire a starting QB.

If the Bills were truly comfortable about Brohm, Edwards, or Fitzpatrick starting, they would not be wasting time trying to acquire one.

 

Obviously we are not going to be in agreement here...but hey, thats what a message board is all about and I commend you for keeping it about the topic and sticking with points you feel are valid as our side has done the same. For that sir, you get a beer

 

In terms of the topic of discussion, we clearly see things differently...some others see it the way I see it, and others see it the way you see it...however, the biggest leaks in your ship are:

 

1. Nix and Gailey have both publicly stated exactly what we are saying.

2. They chose to pass on the top 5 QB's in this draft, even when getting them late presented little risk and high value

3. They passed on stealing Campbell from Washington for a mid pick 2 years from now

4. They didnt attempt to pursue any of the other top FA or available QB's and only went after the only ELITE QB available

 

So, while you keep hanging your hat solely on the fact we went after McNabb, you are choosing to ignore these very apparent holes in your side of this...

[starrymessenger]

Honestly what is it that you guys see that you like there? I see a slow QB with a very singular vision, hitting predefined routes on wide open receivers who in turn receive hardly any pressure (yes there are a few exceptions in the vid, few). Makes one a college hero but a NFL bum imho.

 

If you read the GB post and filter out the college hero stuff you are left with an awfull QB per GB fan perspective.

 

Akili Smith anyone?

 

Unfortunately you are probably right. Elsewhere on this thread somebody claimed that Brohm had played in a pro style offence at Louisville. Somebody else pointed out that the offence there, at least while B. Petrino was drawing it up, was two thirds spread, on third power 1 .e. not "pro" style. More importantly, under both Petrino and Scott Linehan, it was a "one read" scheme for the QB. In other words Brohm pretty well knew where he was going with the ball on every snap on a passing down, whether he was under centre or in the shotgun. That is a long way from the kind of preparation you need to know how to go through progressions to contend with what NFL defenses will throw at you in the way of speed and complexity. Not surprising to me that he has had trouble adjusting.

[Alphadawg7]

If you read the GB post and filter out the college hero stuff you are left with an awfull QB per GB fan perspective.

 

Akili Smith anyone?

 

Just so I am clear here...are you basing your assesment on a few GB fans who barely, and I mean literally barely, saw Brohm at all? He appeared breifly in a few preseason games as a 3rd string QB...I can assure you with full confidence that the absolute worst judge of talent at this point in time would be the opinnion of the fans in GB. Not because of themselves, but because they literally have about the least amount of information to judge him on.

 

The Packers, who at the time had the most knowledge on Brohm, tried to keep him despite not having room on the roster for him (in the middle of a season where they are thinking SB run) because of a lot of injuries at other positions that needed that roster spot. Several other teams also tried to sign Brohm, but he wanted to go somewhere where there wasnt an entrenched established starter, so he elected to sign with us.

 

Most importantly though, the fact the GB fans ONLY have mostly his rookie year preseason to really gauge Brohm, they really have the least intelligent understanding of where Brohm is now. Just because a rookie QB doesnt adjust in his first rookie campaign preseason well to the speed of the game does not equal bust...happens ALL THE TIME.

 

Most recent example...Kolb in Philly prior to this year looked absolutely HORRID in REAL in season games when it counted filling in for McNabb when he was hurt. No TD's and lots of turnovers...now look where he is just after 2 seasons...McNabb is gone and he is the man in Philly because he was able to step in last year and show solid progress (still not a good decision maker yet, but thats to be expected with the little experience he has still).

 

So, I am sorry, but I dont value the assesment of casual fans who has barely seen the kid play in GB (and are bitter over losing a 2nd round pick for nothing), and most of that was in his rookie preseason, over what our staff sees in him today.