theranter Posted April 26, 2010 Posted April 26, 2010 In order to rationalize our shocking 2nd round pick, Torell Troup, I thought it would be helpful if we could possibly come up with a list of 1st and 2nd rounders that went way higher than expected yet still succeeded in the NFL. I'll start it off...No one ever heard of Henry Jones until we drafted him, and he fulfilled his draft status. And I remember Polian took Dwight Freeny about ten picks higher than expected. I know Troup went about 40 picks higher than expected, but I'll still count Freeny. That's it, I'm done, any help?
CarolinaBill Posted April 26, 2010 Posted April 26, 2010 In order to rationalize our shocking 2nd round pick, Torell Troup, I thought it would be helpful if we could possibly come up with a list of 1st and 2nd rounders that went way higher than expected yet still succeeded in the NFL.I'll start it off...No one ever heard of Henry Jones until we drafted him, and he fulfilled his draft status. And I remember Polian took Dwight Freeny about ten picks higher than expected. I know Troup went about 40 picks higher than expected, but I'll still count Freeny. That's it, I'm done, any help? based on the run on DT's in rd 2 I dont think we reached for troup at all. The same draftniks that tell you troup went to high were the ones screaming for cam thomas or carlos dunlap, and you see where they got drafted. We needed an anchor for the 3-4 and we got it with troup, so what is there to rationalize?
lvbillzfan Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 It depends on what you mean by where they are "expected" to be drafted. We never see NFL teams draft boards so we can only go by the goof balls on TV and on line. And they know about as much as we do.
JPS Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 These fantasy scouts (Mel, Nawrocki) put together boards based on each other's boards. That's why they all look alike. And that's why ESPN reports "reaches" to us who have equally identical and uninformed "draft boards"....and we eat it up. I would guess that "reaches" have the same bust factor as a "value" pick.
earthtobrint Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 It depends on what you mean by where they are "expected" to be drafted.We never see NFL teams draft boards so we can only go by the goof balls on TV and on line. And they know about as much as we do. Yeah, because we talk to NFL scouts and watch hours and hours of game film just like they do.
Dennis in NC Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 based on the run on DT's in rd 2 I dont think we reached for troup at all. The same draftniks that tell you troup went to high were the ones screaming for cam thomas or carlos dunlap, and you see where they got drafted. We needed an anchor for the 3-4 and we got it with troup, so what is there to rationalize? Absolutely! Once those big guys start going off the board, you have got to strike! Funny about Cam Thomas and guys like that, who drop down several rounds --- b b but my MOCK DRAFT said he was better than Troup! Auggghhh!!!
theranter Posted April 27, 2010 Author Posted April 27, 2010 Absolutely! Once those big guys start going off the board, you have got to strike! Funny about Cam Thomas and guys like that, who drop down several rounds --- b b but my MOCK DRAFT said he was better than Troup! Auggghhh!!! Yeah but, we started the run and I can only think of two guys who proved them wrong. How about you?
Ramius Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 Yeah but, we started the run and I can only think of two guys who proved them wrong. How about you? What evidence do you have that Troup would have not been selected until at least 40 picks later?
qwksilver Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 In order to rationalize our shocking 2nd round pick, Torell Troup, I thought it would be helpful if we could possibly come up with a list of 1st and 2nd rounders that went way higher than expected yet still succeeded in the NFL.I'll start it off...No one ever heard of Henry Jones until we drafted him, and he fulfilled his draft status. And I remember Polian took Dwight Freeny about ten picks higher than expected. I know Troup went about 40 picks higher than expected, but I'll still count Freeny. That's it, I'm done, any help? IIRC John Fina had a late 2nd early 3rd round "grade" we drafted in late 1st round. He had a nice 10+ year career. Same can not be said of one Eirc Flowers.
Acantha Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 Yeah, because we talk to NFL scouts and watch hours and hours of game film just like they do. I'd bet a huge majority of them do not do either of those things. Outside of handful of guys, all the pre-draft nonsense is just crap thrown against a wall.
theranter Posted April 27, 2010 Author Posted April 27, 2010 What evidence do you have that Troup would have not been selected until at least 40 picks later? Draft magazines, ESPN etc. that's the point of my post, Are the magazines etc. routinely wrong when they proclaim a big reach. I was a hoping a real draftnik might read this post and shed some light on the subject. I used to be pretty addicted, when the BILLS were good, but after all the horrible years, I lost interest. Not only that, I can't seem to remember the old days too well....(must be my Buffalo upbringig) Note: I give Brian Galliford at Buffalo Rumblings a lot of credit, it's kinda easy IMO to write daily about a well-run organization, but to write daily about the Bills and to try to be positive to boot, that's as hard as HELL! ATTABOY BRIAN GALLIFORD! GO BILLS!
theranter Posted April 27, 2010 Author Posted April 27, 2010 IIRC John Fina had a late 2nd early 3rd round "grade" we drafted in late 1st round. He had a nice 10+ year career. Same can not be said of one Eirc Flowers. I, for one, would not call Fina a success... GO BILLS!
Bob in STL Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 I, for one, would not call Fina a success... GO BILLS! Why not? He was very solid, came up at guard and moved to LT within a few years. Played injured and played hard and lasted for 10 years. I think many coaches and players would disagree with the "fans" that did not like him. He was another Polian pick by the way.
dhg Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 In order to rationalize our shocking 2nd round pick, Torell Troup, I thought it would be helpful if we could possibly come up with a list of 1st and 2nd rounders that went way higher than expected yet still succeeded in the NFL.I'll start it off...No one ever heard of Henry Jones until we drafted him, and he fulfilled his draft status. And I remember Polian took Dwight Freeny about ten picks higher than expected. I know Troup went about 40 picks higher than expected, but I'll still count Freeny. That's it, I'm done, any help? I wouldn't call the pick "shocking".
metzelaars_lives Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 In order to rationalize our shocking 2nd round pick, Torell Troup, I thought it would be helpful if we could possibly come up with a list of 1st and 2nd rounders that went way higher than expected yet still succeeded in the NFL.I'll start it off...No one ever heard of Henry Jones until we drafted him, and he fulfilled his draft status. And I remember Polian took Dwight Freeny about ten picks higher than expected. I know Troup went about 40 picks higher than expected, but I'll still count Freeny. That's it, I'm done, any help? Troup was a consensus 2nd or more likely, 3rd round pick. It was not that shocking. I realize that if we would've taken Cam Thomas, because he was in more mock drafts on here, that it would have been an awesome pick, right? What round did he end up going in?
qwksilver Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 Why not? He was very solid, came up at guard and moved to LT within a few years. Played injured and played hard and lasted for 10 years. I think many coaches and players would disagree with the "fans" that did not like him. He was another Polian pick by the way. My thought exactly. He wasn't an all-pro but very steady and reliable.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 Donte Whitner. enuff said Is it just me or does Whitner seem to get more annoying every year?
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 Sorry I guess he goes by "Twitner" now lol
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