Endless Ike Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 Man, I have an awful feeling we're going to regret not taking Gronkowski and allowing the Patriots to get him. He's a Western NY boy, too. I get that he's a local guy so we all really want him to be good, but there's 4 Gronkowski's every single year
The Dean Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 Man they must really not like Clausen Bingo! I thought Clausen would be a great pick at that point. But if the FO doesn't like the guy, there isn't much point in picking him.
Saint Doug Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 C'mon everybody, this is a milestone friggin pick. In any other year, this pick would have been a CB. We should be celebrating, not bitching.
BillsfaninFl Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 Wait, lots of people yesterday was pissed we didn't go with need. Today we do, and people are pissed it isn't the person they want. Since when do any of you freaking work in the NFL, spend hours breaking down tape, and do this as a career! I for one think that the people whose lives and careers are based on this might have a little better idea of what people are worth than the beer swilling crew on here. If that's how you feel, what does that make you for participating here?
VanCity Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 Zane Beadles, T.J. Ward, and Dexter McCluster are also "reaches" according to ESPN. Zane Beadles was a reach, a reach for the doobie he was passing. That guy looks like a classic college stoner. I think he had a pager and delivered weed to my dorm room.
EastRochBillsfan Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 I had already resigned myself to the fact that they hate Clausen (fine, we'll stink so bad next year that maybe Gailey will get fired and a real coach will draft Locker #1 overall), but how do you pass on Charles Brown there? Dude is gonna be a solid Day 1 starter at LT, if you ask me. Not a great run-blocker, but a great technician in the passing game, and he has those super-long arms everyone's infatuated with these days. It just really bothers me how little the Bills seem to care about the two most important positions in football. the thing is, NOBODY ASKED YOU!
Astrobot Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 Torell Troup is the best pick at NT here!!! Great Pick!!! Torrell Troup DT, UCF War Room analysis Strengths: Looks the part of an NFL nose tackle and should have no problem packing on the additional 10-15 lbs he needs in order to play the position. Does a nice job of getting his long arms out with an aggressive initial punch, and when he stays low off the ball, demonstrates a powerful bull rush. Clearly possesses the natural strength to occupy multiple blockers without giving up ground at the point of attack. Weaknesses: Is not a great athlete; lacks the quickness and speed to penetrate gaps and pursue down the line of scrimmage. Tends to lock on to his blocker and struggles to shed consistently. Must be more consistently aggressive with his hands. Has a bad habit of standing straight up at the snap, which allows blockers to make initial contact and drive him off the ball. Struggles too see side blocks in time and is consistently driven off by them. Needs to improve his conditioning, as he tends to tire in the fourth quarter and play with poor technique and leverage. Bottom line: With so many teams running a 3-4 defense, players with the Troup's natural size and strength will be in high demand. Troup has a massive frame, looking more like he weighs 340 than his actual weight of 314. When he plays with proper leverage and hand use, he flashes the ability to hold the point of attack extremely well against multiple blockers -- the main skill 3-4 teams are looking for in a 0-technique nose tackle. However, he is limited to this position by his lack of athleticism, as he lacks the quickness to consistently disrupt the backfield and the lateral speed and agility to make plays outside his "A" gaps. He will need to improve his hand fighting and fitness if he wants to develop into more than a two-down backup at the next level, because in college he struggled to produce on runs at him and late in games. He will probably be drafted higher than we have him rated because there is such a premium on his position, but he will probably always be limited to playing on first and second down. I agree. Some NT's are penetrators, and some plug up the middle, occupying blockers, and that's Troup. Best NT in the draft for this purpose, and that's what the Bills want---strong middle presence that will gum things up.
DC Grid Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 People flipped **** about the Byrd pick, too. I didn't...but I do have to admit I lost my mind over Eric Wood last year...so hopefully I am 100% wrong on this one also. I'd love to see him be the second coming of Ted Washington or Pat Williams.
Fires Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 Run Stuffer... I think we've needed him for several years. Welcome to the Buffalo Bills Torell
LGB Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 I agree. Some NT's are penetrators, and some plug up the middle, occupying blockers, and that's Troup. Best NT in the draft for this purpose, and that's what the Bills want---strong middle presence that will gum things up. The positives look good, but...from this:Possesses more of a short-area burst of speed and ineffective in pursuit. Struggles getting off blocks and handled at the point or out positioned by large blockers....so I hope he is more productive than McCargo. There. That is setting the bar low enough - right?
Clippers of Nfl Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 jc picked. now we keep edwards fitz brom sucks....
Sisyphean Bills Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 Not like we had a NT... or a run defense...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 Worst LT situation in the NFL? Better get some help. Well we only have so many picks WTF do you want them to do?
Dr. K Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 Since when have the Bills shown that they're better at drafting than the conventional wisdom/consensus? Since John Butler was there, that's when. The Bills need to earn the benefit of the doubt by having some of these reaches pan out. Drafting a NT with a 3rd-round grade when there's higher-rated (by consensus) players available at QB, LT, and NT? You'd better be right. The last decade of history suggests the Bills will be wrong again. You can't hope to defend them until they prove us wrong, because we've been right for years now. I don't know if Troup was a good pick, but I want to remind many people here who have praised John Butler's draft savvy that his parting gift to the Bills was probably the worst draft in the history of the franchise, the 2000 draft. No way can Nix do worse than Eric Flowers and the rest of that year's selections.
Cash Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 Well, we'll see how all of this pans out. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bills trade up at this point (a la Levitre last year), but even if they don't, they're basically saying that Troup is the #2 NT in the draft, and significantly better than Cody, Linval Joseph, or Cam Thomas. We'll see if they're right or not, but they defied the conventional wisdom. When you stick with conventional wisdom, you look smart at the time, and don't get much blame if things don't work out. When you go against it, you raise eyebrows at the time, and if it doesn't work out, you look like a fool. The Bills have been great at making themselves look foolish in recent years. I'm still holding out hope that they make a move for Charles Brown, which would be awesome.
DarthICE Posted April 23, 2010 Posted April 23, 2010 I agree. Some NT's are penetrators, and some plug up the middle, occupying blockers, and that's Troup. Best NT in the draft for this purpose, and that's what the Bills want---strong middle presence that will gum things up. Exactly. Look we need a space eater at NT, not a penetrator. A true NT holds the 0 tech or shades the Center and holds that gap so the LB's can attack. We got the best guy in the draft to do that.
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