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Might be a good fit for them, I still think Holt has something left in the tank.

 

Heck, if he can put up 700 yards with David Garrard throwing wounded ducks into the air, he should be able to crack 1000 with Brady.

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What is the Pats' obsession with guys who run down the field with giant forks sticking out of their backs? Holt is done. He has very little footspeed left. Sure, he's savvy enough to find soft spots in a zone, but he's not much better (and probably much worse) than your average replacement-level player. BB just loves vets.

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What is the Pats' obsession with guys who run down the field with giant forks sticking out of their backs? Holt is done. He has very little footspeed left. Sure, he's savvy enough to find soft spots in a zone, but he's not much better (and probably much worse) than your average replacement-level player. BB just loves vets.

He seems to be pretty fond of Lombardi Trophies, too.

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Joey Galloway part 2

Not really the same type of signing.

 

For starters, Holt is much younger than Galloway and has only missed 3 games his entire career.

 

Second, Galloway came in believing he was going to run go routes all day like he had been doing all of his career. The Pats asked Galloway to run slants and crosses, digs and glance routes which Galloway couldn't, or more likely didn't want, to do. Holt, OTOH, has made an all pro career out of running slants, digs, crosses and glance routes so he'll be able to step right in and be comfortable with his job description.

 

Essentially, Holt is replacing Sam Aiken in the lineup. Aiken is an excellent ST's player but shouldn't be seeing many reps as a WR.

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Not really the same type of signing.

 

For starters, Holt is much younger than Galloway and has only missed 3 games his entire career.

 

Second, Galloway came in believing he was going to run go routes all day like he had been doing all of his career. The Pats asked Galloway to run slants and crosses, digs and glance routes which Galloway couldn't, or more likely didn't want, to do. Holt, OTOH, has made an all pro career out of running slants, digs, crosses and glance routes so he'll be able to step right in and be comfortable with his job description.

 

Essentially, Holt is replacing Sam Aiken in the lineup. Aiken is an excellent ST's player but shouldn't be seeing many reps as a WR.

Fair enough. But I'm skeptical about how much of a difference maker an aging wideout will make. He played his career in a dome and against warm weather opponents...and one season in the AFC South playing for Jacksonville.

 

For a supposed genius, many of Belichick's decisions lately seem like Madden type acquisitions and/or desperation.

 

Just not impressed at all.

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Fair enough. But I'm skeptical about how much of a difference maker an aging wideout will make. He played his career in a dome and against warm weather opponents...and one season in the AFC South playing for Jacksonville.

 

For a supposed genius, many of Belichick's decisions lately seem like Madden type acquisitions and/or desperation.

 

Just not impressed at all.

Holt is a monumental upgrade over Aiken, the guy he'll be replacing in the lineup. Not sure why this seems desperate?

 

Belichick's offseason this year fits his MO while in NE which is to sign veterans to fill specific roles while adding youth via the draft.

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Does "home for wily aging vets" equal a blind eye towards HGH use? You be the judge--personally, I think Rodney was the tip of that particular iceberg.....

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What is the Pats' obsession with guys who run down the field with giant forks sticking out of their backs? Holt is done. He has very little footspeed left. Sure, he's savvy enough to find soft spots in a zone, but he's not much better (and probably much worse) than your average replacement-level player. BB just loves vets.
yeah. I'd much rather have Walter Mendenhall or Rodney Ferguson on the roster.
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Not really the same type of signing.

 

For starters, Holt is much younger than Galloway and has only missed 3 games his entire career.

 

Second, Galloway came in believing he was going to run go routes all day like he had been doing all of his career. The Pats asked Galloway to run slants and crosses, digs and glance routes which Galloway couldn't, or more likely didn't want, to do. Holt, OTOH, has made an all pro career out of running slants, digs, crosses and glance routes so he'll be able to step right in and be comfortable with his job description.

 

Essentially, Holt is replacing Sam Aiken in the lineup. Aiken is an excellent ST's player but shouldn't be seeing many reps as a WR.

 

 

Fair enough. But I'm skeptical about how much of a difference maker an aging wideout will make. He played his career in a dome and against warm weather opponents...and one season in the AFC South playing for Jacksonville.

 

For a supposed genius, many of Belichick's decisions lately seem like Madden type acquisitions and/or desperation.

 

Just not impressed at all.

 

 

Holt is a monumental upgrade over Aiken, the guy he'll be replacing in the lineup. Not sure why this seems desperate?

 

Belichick's offseason this year fits his MO while in NE which is to sign veterans to fill specific roles while adding youth via the draft.

This year's Patriots free agent signings:

 

Alge Crumpler TE, Torry Holt WR

 

Last year's Patriots free agent signings:

 

Chris Baker, TE; Leigh Bodden, CB; Joey Galloway, Paris Lenon; LB; Brandon McGowan, S; Tom Malone, P; Shawn Springs, CB; and Fred Taylor, RB

 

In addition they traded a 3rd and 4th for Derrick Burgess last year. The year before they signed Adalius Thomas.

 

What I'm saying is that their drafts have been mediocre lately (in spite of piling up lots of draft picks) and their free agent signings and acquisitions more often than not are veteran players on the downside who are/were big names.

 

To me, this speaks of a serious decay in their ability to identify good, young, and in some cases, unknown players.

 

Everyone knows of Polian's and A.J. Smith's ability to unearth unknown talent.

 

It appears that the Patriots don't have the ability to do this anymore. I think the only good veteran acquisition they've made lately was the Leigh Bodden signing.

 

So yes, IMO they are resorting to a deperate and/or Madden approach to player acquisition.

 

As I've stated here and elsewhere, they've done almost nothing since losing in the Super Bowl, haven't won a Super Bowl since they stopped cheating, and appear to be an organization in decay.

 

Just my opinion.

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i wouldn't go so far as to say organization in decay, but the magic is gone in New England. In the 2001-2004 run, they seemed to be able to work magic with everything, landing Pro Bowlers with every draft pick and getting Super Bowl winning performances out of the likes of Antowain Smith. They mercilessly cut veterans the moment they lost a step (Lawyer Milloy) and kept getting value. But then that stopped.

 

Putting together Welker and Moss for Brady was their last great move. Their running game has burned through role players (Sammy Morris) and scrubs (BenJarvus Green-Ellis) and washouts (LaMont Jordan). The defense still relies on the same players, and while they're really talented, there's nobody waiting in the wings besides maybe Jerod Mayo. They're going to be good for a while still, but they're not the class of the league by any stretch. Not anymore.

 

...not that they won't beat us twice.

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This year's Patriots free agent signings:

 

Alge Crumpler TE, Torry Holt WR

 

Last year's Patriots free agent signings:

 

Chris Baker, TE; Leigh Bodden, CB; Joey Galloway, Paris Lenon; LB; Brandon McGowan, S; Tom Malone, P; Shawn Springs, CB; and Fred Taylor, RB

 

In addition they traded a 3rd and 4th for Derrick Burgess last year. The year before they signed Adalius Thomas.

 

What I'm saying is that their drafts have been mediocre lately (in spite of piling up lots of draft picks) and their free agent signings and acquisitions more often than not are veteran players on the downside who are/were big names.

 

To me, this speaks of a serious decay in their ability to identify good, young, and in some cases, unknown players.

 

Everyone knows of Polian's and A.J. Smith's ability to unearth unknown talent.

 

It appears that the Patriots don't have the ability to do this anymore. I think the only good veteran acquisition they've made lately was the Leigh Bodden signing.

 

So yes, IMO they are resorting to a deperate and/or Madden approach to player acquisition.

 

As I've stated here and elsewhere, they've done almost nothing since losing in the Super Bowl, haven't won a Super Bowl since they stopped cheating, and appear to be an organization in decay.

 

Just my opinion.

Desperate would be signing a slew of players hoping that a bunch of them will stick and contribute. The Pats have been anything but that this offseason indicating that they are perfectly content relying on the nucleus of players they now have on board. In fact, with Holt seemingly in tow, the Pats don't have a glaring roster spot open as they enter the draft.

 

The biggest issue with the Pats of late has been the health of Tom Brady. Should Brady be back to health this season the Pats will be a SB favourite.

 

Two of the Pats most productive rookies last year (Edelman and Pryor) were late round (6th and 7th) finds and let's not forget that another late round find of the Pats (7th rounder Matt Cassel) netted them a high 2nd round pick this year. So I'm not sure they can't find any late round gems.

 

At any rate, back the original point. The addition of Holt is to replace Aiken at WR. Not sure how anyone would not see this as a huge upgrade.

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