BillsVet Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 But that's not right. Check his metrics (I don't have them at hand right now, I apologize). I was surprised to learn recently that his numbers (especially YAC) were much lower than what I'd consider to be elite. He's a reception-machine, but I'm not sure he's a game-breaker. EDIT: here is the article (I was wrong, it's YPA) http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=5046443 Here is the key info: Next up is Denver Broncos WR Brandon Marshall. Let's start by noting that Marshall is not an elite player on a per-pass basis. His 7.6 overall YPA last season ranked 49th among wideouts and his 9.5 vertical pass YPA ranked 55th. These totals are not anomalies in his career (he ranked 48th in overall YPA in 2008) and indicate he isn't close to the Andre Johnson/Reggie Wayne category. Having said that, Marshall is an elite wideout in one area: endurance. For proof, consider that his 332 targets over the past two seasons is tops in the NFL, and he did that despite not playing in two contests. He is that rare type of wide receiver who can handle being thrown the ball around 10 times per game on a consistent week-to-week basis. This will happen when you have Kyle "no more than 10 yard pass" Orton at the helm. Check those stats when Cutler was throwing. Research is an endangered species on TBD. And it's getting worse.
BillsGuyInMalta Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 T.O. WAS 13 Not sure you want to use that guide as support That doesn't discredit it in the slightest.
QB Bills Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Am I the only one who thinks this guy is way overrated? I've seen him play a few times and he doesn't stand out like some other guys (Fitzgerald, Moss, T.O., Johnson) do or have in their primes. I don't think this is a good deal for the Dolphins, especially with the crappy QB they have.
BillsGuyInMalta Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 See kids? You too can beat up your girlfriend, get in trouble with the law close to a dozen times in your life and STILL get paid 10 million dollars a year! All joking aside, when he's on-the-field he is worth that much.
Meark Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 This signing by the Dolphins really upsets me.. WTF!!! I was secretly hoping we would try to do a deal.. but the Dolphins? Ug.. good thing Henne can't throw..
Coach Tuesday Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 This will happen when you have Kyle "no more than 10 yard pass" Orton at the helm. Check those stats when Cutler was throwing. Research is an endangered species on TBD. And it's getting worse. Hey A-Hole, so is reading comprehension - the excerpt specifically references 2008 and says he wasn't much better then.
DrFishfinder Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 You know what scares me even more.. the ever so dangerous Chad Henne will be throwing to him!!! We are screwed........ {sigh} --- This is a bills like move.... Putting the horse before the cart!!@@!! Yeah....I had the same thought. Is Henne - Marshall the next Montana - Rice? I guess we'll find out if Marshall can keep his nose clean. I dunno, My Yami has a way of bringing out the worst in some players. Just ask Cecil "Came in Through the Bathroom Window" Collins.
BufflaloBeastMode23 Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Buffalo is interested in __________ , he's awesome. Someone else signs __________, he sucks. CO "MOTHAFU*KIN" SIGN 100%...if we would have gotten marshall everybody would have sh*t themselves with joy... This is bullsh*t.. Jets get players, miami get players, pats have players...WE DONT HAVE SH*T...somebody please flush this toliet we call a team cuz my love for the bills wont allow me to do it...who do we blame for this ralph, buddy or chan "FU*KING* gailey somebody has to take the fall for us getting people that make you turn into an owl and say "WHO"... *phewww i feel better now*
Joaquin1119 Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Marshall and the Dolphins reached agreement Wednesday on a four-year, $47.5 million contract extension that includes $24 million in guaranteed money, according to ESPN. That would make him the highest-paid receiver in NFL history. He a good WR but not that very good..
Talley56 Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 With the Dolphins and Jets picking up quality receivers basically for steals this week it's a good thing their QBs are still question marks and our pass D at least appears to be stable.
Doc Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 T.O. WAS 13 Not sure you want to use that guide as support Why not? With a competent OC and QB (which the Bills most assuredly didn't have last year), he's still a guy who can get you 1,000 yards and 10 TD's. Hell he had 829 yards and 6 TD's in that abortion of an offense the Bills had last year.
BuffOrange Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Maybe it's not a bad deal for Denver, but I don't see how anyone can say it's a bad deal for Miami. When you draft a WR in the 1st round, having him turn out like Marshall is basically the best case scenerio. More likely said drafted player will be much worse. And you'd have to pay him a lot too. So giving up two 2nd rounders for him is whatever. And yes, the Moral Highground crowd needs to stop - particularly as they're probably the same homers excusing Lynch and the idiots on our team.
John from Riverside Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Guys.....why is it so hard to understand. This is a team that is going to biuld through the draft...it is that simple
Captain Caveman Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 You guys know what this means: 1st round DB for the Bills.
Rayzer32 Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Would you say that if Marshall beat the s**t out of your sister? Please go ahead and list all the players currently in the NFL who have been charged with beating up a women. That have had the police called to their house 11 times in the past 4 years. You will find that your thought process of it happening "all the time" is warped to say the least. Maybe you're too young to remember OJ Simpson. Former Buffalo Bill who murdered and nearly cut the head off his women and the man she had the nerve to be attracted to. He had a history of the police coming over his house on a domestic disturbance call. If you're too young and don't remember this than I'm sorry for my going off on you like this. You seriously didn't just compare Tiger's mental abuse against women to Marshall's violence against women? I'm not a Tiger fan and those people that were clapping only proved that there are a ton of idiots living here. I'm here to cut down the idiots in this thread like yourself who are aghast that the Bills didn't go after a scumbag "dude" like Marshall. But I guess it's the stupid MTV world we are all living in where a guy like Owens (who to my knowledge has never hit a women) is given much worse press than a true thug like Marshall. I turn 42 Friday FWIW. We aren't talking about OJ either, we are talking about today's sports world where this stuff happens in every sport. If you can't deal with it, stop watching sports. I also nowhere in any of my posts said that the Bills should have signed this guy. And not that's it's any of your business, but my sister's first husband beat the **** out of her, so who is the one making stupid comments now? Think before you say something so asinine.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Again, I'm wondering why you people are so shocked? The Bills are a JV squad--second-rate. The Fish, Jets and PAts are all run by first-class owners and GMs, as opposed to Ralph and Nix. This is a budget-minded organization and will be run that way until the old man kicks it. Thus, my motto: GO YANKEES!
Rayzer32 Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Please go ahead and list all the players currently in the NFL who have been charged with beating up a women. Here you go. Not too bad, only 495 arrests or citations since 2000. And you think Marshall is the only problem in the league. I didn't read all 495, but just on the first page alone there are a number of domestic violence/assault charges. So again you may want to first think about or research the facts before making a ridiculous statement. Have a nice day. http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/sports/nfl/arrests.html
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 I must say, I am not impressed with Nix so far. OK so I know we may not be the most attractive team for players but he should still try to make a play for some even if they say no. At least then we know he tried. Whats the harm in trying? To save embarassment? Hate to break it to him but we are already considered that by many analysts The Bills tried to get Mike Shanahan. They tried for the Chin. They tried to get McNabb and even (reportedly) offered him an extension. Add to that, we've added two good 3-4 players (Edwards and Davis) plus Nix has explicitly said that he builds teams through the draft. What aren't you impressed with again?
1billsfan Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Here you go. Not too bad, only 495 arrests or citations since 2000. And you think Marshall is the only problem in the league. I didn't read all 495, but just on the first page alone there are a number of domestic violence/assault charges. So again you may want to first think about or research the facts before making a ridiculous statement. Have a nice day. http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/sports/nfl/arrests.html For the sake of argument, let's just say that a third of these were cases of domestic violence against women. That's about 160 reported incidents in 10 years out of 4000 players in the decade who wore an NFL uniform. That's certainly not a lot. I would bet you that 0 of these 4000 players had 11 domestic disturbance calls in a four year period. The fact that you're still pinning away for this scumbag tells me that you're beyond help at this point.
Rayzer32 Posted April 15, 2010 Posted April 15, 2010 For the sake of argument, let's just say that a third of these were cases of domestic violence against women. That's about 160 reported incidents in 10 years out of 4000 players in the decade who wore an NFL uniform. That's certainly not a lot. I would bet you that 0 of these 4000 players had 11 domestic disturbance calls in a four year period. The fact that you're still pinning away for this scumbag tells me that you're beyond help at this point. Dude, come on get real. First of all your guesses at numbers are pointless. 160 incidents out of 4000 players in a decade? How bout I have been around 4 decades, met a lot more than 4000 people in that time and to this day, other than my ex brother in law I know of one person who beat on his girlfriend, but it wasn't even reported. So what the hell is your point with that crap? I showed you actual facts. And I'm sure plenty of these guys have beat their wives/girlfriends plenty of other times that weren't documented. And I include Marshall in this as well. And please show me exactly where I defended Marshall or have given him props, other than saying I think he is a top 4 WR in the league. I never said the Bills should have traded for him and I never said this guy was an outstanding human being, did I? That has absolutely nothing to do with his off the field issues. He is a talented WR with a messed up head. I don't understand why you think I have been sticking up for him. Just saying, and proving with facts, that the league is full of garbage. Some worse than others. Why you keep posting the same thing over and over and trying to justify it with your own made up numbers is really sad. You my friend, are beyond help. If you want to keep embarrassing yourself be my guest.
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