lets_go_bills Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Seems like every AFC East team except us has made splashy moves to improve. I am not looking forward to seeing Marshall twice a year.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 God we are like the fat kid in gym class that always gets picked last
Coach Tuesday Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 I'm not a "sour grapes" guy and I'm concerned (actually, convinced) that the Bills will continue to suck until Ralph croaks. That said, this trade sucks for the Dolphins. Marshall is a decent young player, but his yards per catch are actually pretty low and far from elite (7.9 if I recall correctly, or maybe I'm thinking of yards per attempt). His metrics don't justify the hype. And I agree that even without a salary cap, second round picks are key.
Mike in Syracuse Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 It'll be interesting watching Pennington destroy what is left of his shoulder trying to get the ball to Marshall. I hope that plan on running a lot of quick slants. Despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth here on OBD, how many times do you have to see this to realize that big name trades rarely yield positive long term results. Washington is a freaking case study in this.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 I must say, I am not impressed with Nix so far. OK so I know we may not be the most attractive team for players but he should still try to make a play for some even if they say no. At least then we know he tried. Whats the harm in trying? To save embarassment? Hate to break it to him but we are already considered that by many analysts
BuffaloBaumer Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Seriously folks, the Bills are in the dead center of a MAJOR rebuild so anything going on this season should just roll off your backs. Let's start talking demise again when 2011 starts. New lines are going to be built and then we can trash the Bills about not giving up draft picks for skill positions. Don't forget, the Bills still need to find someone who can throw the ball to someone like Marshall.
Coach Tuesday Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth here on OBD, how many times do you have to see this to realize that big name trades rarely yield positive long term results. Especially, historically, for wide receivers. Didn't Tuna trade for Keyshawn?
1billsfan Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Not rationalizing dude, proving a freaking point. And many of the other players criminal behavior is women abuse. Why just single one guy out. And do you have facts that he was charged with all these accusations you seem to know about? If he were as bad as you say, I guarantee he would be disciplined. Get over it, it happens, always will. I don't condone it, but I can't control it. Nothing to get so hyped up over like you are. Write a letter to Goodell if you feel so strongly. I'm just saying, if they start kicking all the scumbags out of the league, there might be enough players for 20 teams left. Don't know why you have such a hard on for this one guy, when so many other professional athletes do exactly the same thing. I mean look at Tiger Woods. Did he abuse his woman, not physically, but he did one hell of a number on her mentally. He got applauded when he walked on the the first tee at the Masters. That is how this country works. How long have you been living here? Would you say that if Marshall beat the s**t out of your sister? Please go ahead and list all the players currently in the NFL who have been charged with beating up a women. That have had the police called to their house 11 times in the past 4 years. You will find that your thought process of it happening "all the time" is warped to say the least. Maybe you're too young to remember OJ Simpson. Former Buffalo Bill who murdered and nearly cut the head off his women and the man she had the nerve to be attracted to. He had a history of the police coming over his house on a domestic disturbance call. If you're too young and don't remember this than I'm sorry for my going off on you like this. You seriously didn't just compare Tiger's mental abuse against women to Marshall's violence against women? I'm not a Tiger fan and those people that were clapping only proved that there are a ton of idiots living here. I'm here to cut down the idiots in this thread like yourself who are aghast that the Bills didn't go after a scumbag "dude" like Marshall. But I guess it's the stupid MTV world we are all living in where a guy like Owens (who to my knowledge has never hit a women) is given much worse press than a true thug like Marshall.
Jerry Jabber Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 I'm disappointed that the Bills didn't make an attempt at Marshall. IMO, I would rather have Marshall than Evans. The Bills are not going to make the playoffs this year. Nix plans to build through the draft, so the process will take 2-3 years (at least). If Nix hits on most of his draft picks, then the Bills will have a successful team for years to come. Yes, it does suck to go through rebuilding...again, but I'd rather see the Bills rebuilt the right way this time around. Nix is much better than any of the clowns that ran this team over the last decade.
Kingfish Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Especially, historically, for wide receivers. Didn't Tuna trade for Keyshawn? Bill Parcells coached/GM'ed teams have won as many playoff games as the Bills have since 1999.
nichebiche Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 let's look at the Bills lack of moves from a different perspective: when you have a leaky roof, how should you spend your money -- to fix the roof or buy a new car? if your furnace is broken, do you replace it with a new one or spend your money on a new flat-screen TV? if your foundation is crumbling, do you reinforce it or go on a trip to Vegas? all of the moves everyone is referring to are the type you can afford to make because the rest of the team is not broken. when your team does not have a QB, has problems on the OLine and has trouble rushing the passer and stopping the run, how does it make sense to use your assets on a WR?
stuckincincy Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Bill Parcells coached/GM'ed teams have won as many playoff games as the Bills have since 1999. And also gave the fans some excitement along the way, as in they actually thought there was a playoff shot. AFAIK, he got into the play-offs twice since 1999.
Buftex Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 I'm disappointed that the Bills didn't make an attempt at Marshall. IMO, I would rather have Marshall than Evans. The Bills are not going to make the playoffs this year. Nix plans to build through the draft, so the process will take 2-3 years (at least). If Nix hits on most of his draft picks, then the Bills will have a successful team for years to come. Yes, it does suck to go through rebuilding...again, but I'd rather see the Bills rebuilt the right way this time around. Nix is much better than any of the clowns that ran this team over the last decade. Do you have any meaningless stats to back that up? I don't hate Buddy Nix, but it takes a lot more than a bunch of funny quotes to build a successful NFL team. What has Buddy done so far, that makes you think he is any better than what we have had for the last decade? Saying the right things, and doing the right things are two different things. To those trying to minimize Brandon Marshalls' talent, you really are in denial. He may be one of the two or three best receivers in the game right now. If he can get his act together off the field, two second round picks for him, is a steal.
Coach Tuesday Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 To those trying to minimize Brandon Marshalls' talent, you really are in denial. He may be one of the two or three best receivers in the game right now. If he can get his act together off the field, two second round picks for him, is a steal. But that's not right. Check his metrics (I don't have them at hand right now, I apologize). I was surprised to learn recently that his numbers (especially YAC) were much lower than what I'd consider to be elite. He's a reception-machine, but I'm not sure he's a game-breaker. EDIT: here is the article (I was wrong, it's YPA) http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=5046443 Here is the key info: Next up is Denver Broncos WR Brandon Marshall. Let's start by noting that Marshall is not an elite player on a per-pass basis. His 7.6 overall YPA last season ranked 49th among wideouts and his 9.5 vertical pass YPA ranked 55th. These totals are not anomalies in his career (he ranked 48th in overall YPA in 2008) and indicate he isn't close to the Andre Johnson/Reggie Wayne category. Having said that, Marshall is an elite wideout in one area: endurance. For proof, consider that his 332 targets over the past two seasons is tops in the NFL, and he did that despite not playing in two contests. He is that rare type of wide receiver who can handle being thrown the ball around 10 times per game on a consistent week-to-week basis.
papazoid Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 God we are like the fat kid in gym class that always gets picked last laffin.......yes, but now we have two new personal trainers.....
papazoid Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Brandon Marshall is an absolute stud wide receiver.....only wes walker has more receptions in the last 3 years. Marshall catches anything near him and made even Jay Cutler look good. the only surprise is the Tuna paying top dollar for a WR, he usually has no time for those "she" positions. from a salary cap point of view Marshall should get close to $10mil/yr.....each of those two second round picks will get less than $1mil/yr, which leaves room for one or two free agents. i absolutely love second round picks for their "value" (salary/talent). i would rather have 10 second round picks at $1mil/yr each than one superstar player at $10mil/yr. i give the edge in this deal to denver......and wish Marshall went to a different division. In a little more than a year, with a pair of blockbuster trades, Denver has recouped two first-round picks, two second-round picks, a third-round pick and quarterback Kyle Orton in exchange for Jay Cutler and Marshall.
dave mcbride Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Not rationalizing dude, proving a freaking point. And many of the other players criminal behavior is women abuse. Why just single one guy out. And do you have facts that he was charged with all these accusations you seem to know about? If he were as bad as you say, I guarantee he would be disciplined. Get over it, it happens, always will. I don't condone it, but I can't control it. Nothing to get so hyped up over like you are. Write a letter to Goodell if you feel so strongly. I'm just saying, if they start kicking all the scumbags out of the league, there might be enough players for 20 teams left. Don't know why you have such a hard on for this one guy, when so many other professional athletes do exactly the same thing. I mean look at Tiger Woods. Did he abuse his woman, not physically, but he did one hell of a number on her mentally. He got applauded when he walked on the the first tee at the Masters. That is how this country works. How long have you been living here? The level of reasoning here isn't compelling. You're suggesting that the person you're responding to is either a) comparing Marshall to Tiger Woods or b) thinks the two are equally guilty (which they're not). He said neither. Secondly, while you are right that the league has a disproportionately large number of miscreants, that doesn't give you license to argue that all judgment of NFL player behavior should therefore be dispensed with or allow you to argue that because, say, 30 percent of the league's players have problems with the law, passing judgment on any one of them is not "real world". The implication is that winning is the only thing that matters. This seems to be what you are arguing, in fact. If you're willing to both accept violent criminals playing for the team you root for and explain it away simply because you really, really want the team you follow to be a winner, it might be a good idea to either step back a bit and place your fandom in a broader perspective. Or you could shift your attention to other sports like baseball, which features fewer criminals on average. That said, one of the implications inherent in your argument is correct -- football is a violent sport, and it attracts violent people. Expecting those people to act entirely differently in private life is naive because it expects too much of them.
DDD Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Two second rounders for Brandon Marshall is a robbery. The Bronco's should be jailed for that. As a Bills fan I love this trade. Marshall will be suspended for a year by the beginning of this year or next year, IMO. I think the Jests and Poorpisses attraction to receivers probably has something to do with Buffalo's secondary. Sure, the Bills are the team to beat in the AFC East. Or that they, unlike the Bills, are committed to putting a winning product on the field.
billsfreak Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Its a done deal. A second this year and another pick next. Not saying I wanted Marshall in Buffalo, but every other day it seems that one of the AFC East teams makes a big move to get better, while all we do is sign practice squad players that nobody else wants on their roster and will probably never amount to anything. Every time one of these other East teams makes a move like this, it just buries us further into last place, and not by any small margin either. They even mentioned something to that effect on Mike & Mike this morning, that the Bills are obviously the only team in the division not even trying to get better. That the organization is trying to convince themselves that Brian Brohm is a realistic option at QB, when the whole world knows he isn't. We are going to be real contenders for the first overall pick in 2011, but then again maybe that is the whole goal for the Buffalo Bills and this new regime in 2010. Doesn't make it much fun for the best fanbase in the NFL though.
Jerry Jabber Posted April 14, 2010 Posted April 14, 2010 Do you have any meaningless stats to back that up? I don't hate Buddy Nix, but it takes a lot more than a bunch of funny quotes to build a successful NFL team. What has Buddy done so far, that makes you think he is any better than what we have had for the last decade? Saying the right things, and doing the right things are two different things. To those trying to minimize Brandon Marshalls' talent, you really are in denial. He may be one of the two or three best receivers in the game right now. If he can get his act together off the field, two second round picks for him, is a steal. I think this article sums up what Nix has accomplished. http://www.realfootball365.com/articles/bills/14820 I'm not thrilled either about Marshall going to the fins, I would rather have Marshall than Evans, I was hoping the Bills could have traded Evans for Marshall. But there's no way the Bills could afford two 2nd rounders when they have so many holes on this team to fill.
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