VADC Bills Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 For those who haven't seen Campbell play and aren't fortunate enough to be able to use the search function on NFL.com, these are provided as a public service. It's a strain, I know - but here's the Washington Bar Nuts 2009 "highlights" Preseason Week 3 vs. Patsies* Week 11 vs. Cowgirls Week 14 vs. Riddlers vs. Staints vs. Iggles Clearly Campbell is a no-talent-noodle-armed-checkdown-artist-brain-dead-lead-legged-statue of a QB who would be a disastrous pickup for The Bills. Interesting selection..wow looking at these highlights why didn't Campbell make the probowl? Why did the the Redskins trade for McNabb? Doesn't Shanahan realize what he has?....How about looking at how Campbell handled the jaugernaut defenses of the Lions, Chiefs, Panthers, or the Rams all losses to previous winless teams except the Rams, a game where he or the skins could not find the endzone. The Redskins could not find the endzone against the Rams, Chiefs, Giants and Cowboys twice . The Redskins clearly had the easiest schedule in the league and Campbell led his team to a 4-12.
Kelso_Helmet Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 I think we all agree about TE as well. Campbell is not an upgrade. Campbell is another flavor of bad quarterbacking that the Bills will drag their feet and take two years to remove once they realize he sucks. I would rather go for the unknown and draft a QB. I would also make the move on Troy Smith for a low round pick. Then decide between TE or RF on who would hold the clipboard for the first string clipboard holder. Campbell ain't Joe Montana, but he's a HUGE upgrade over what we have in camp. I've seen him play a lot over the past few years here in DC and they changed up the system constantly. He took the heat for the Joe Gibbs' debacle of a return and let's face it, if there was any team that made the Bills' coaching situation look stable by comparison, it was the Jim Zorn fiasco. And once that stabilized a bit last year, Campbell did well despite having no real #1 WR, a crappy running game, and Cooley on IR. And he can handle intense media scrutiny...he's been one of the few class acts in the 3 ring circus at Fedex field, despite D-bags like clinton portis taking shots at him. Not a cut and dried decision to trade a 4th rounder for Campbell, and it would still make sense to look for a QB in the draft, but I certainly don't get all the Brohm love on this board. He was a #3 QB, then a practice squad QB who was waived. We all know TE's limitations. Fitz is nothing more than a #2 QB. Campbell is a starting NFL QB.
Buffaloed in Pa Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 Campbell ain't Joe Montana, but he's a HUGE upgrade over what we have in camp. I've seen him play a lot over the past few years here in DC and they changed up the system constantly. He took the heat for the Joe Gibbs' debacle of a return and let's face it, if there was any team that made the Bills' coaching situation look stable by comparison, it was the Jim Zorn fiasco. And once that stabilized a bit last year, Campbell did well despite having no real #1 WR, a crappy running game, and Cooley on IR. And he can handle intense media scrutiny...he's been one of the few class acts in the 3 ring circus at Fedex field, despite D-bags like clinton portis taking shots at him. Not a cut and dried decision to trade a 4th rounder for Campbell, and it would still make sense to look for a QB in the draft, but I certainly don't get all the Brohm love on this board. He was a #3 QB, then a practice squad QB who was waived. We all know TE's limitations. Fitz is nothing more than a #2 QB. Campbell is a starting NFL QB.
JohnC Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 I think we all agree about TE as well. Campbell is not an upgrade. Campbell is another flavor of bad quarterbacking that the Bills will drag their feet and take two years to remove once they realize he sucks. I would rather go for the unknown and draft a QB. I would also make the move on Troy Smith for a low round pick. Then decide between TE or RF on who would hold the clipboard for the first string clipboard holder. You are making the argument to draft Clausen. Not only does he have the physical tools necessary to be a successful qb, he also has a more aggressive personality to lead a team. He is the type of person who can push other players to do better because no one is not going to acknowledge his maximum work efforts. What he does on and off the field will give him more credibility than the other more passive personalities at qb have to offer. Most people who have a nickle worth of objectivity recognize that the Bills are a very long way from respectability. If you can get your franchise qb in the first year of a new front office and coaching staff then you should do it. Last year, Jimmy Clausen played well. He did that with a very damaged foot. That in itself says something about his toughness and committment to the game. There are a lot of short term things that Buddy Nix can do to quickly get the Bills to the level of respectabililty. Instead of striving for something so limited why not think outside of the typical small Buffalo box and go for the player with the big upside. The Bills need to establish a new identity and break away from the embarrassing past. Clausen more than the other lackluster qb prospects gives us the opportunity to move in the right direction away from the pervasive stench of mediocrity. In this case being bold is not reckless. It is the smart thing to do.
Kelso_Helmet Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 Interesting selection....How about looking at how Campbell handled the jauggernaut defenses of the Lions, Chiefs, Panthers, or the Rams all losses to previous winless teams except the Rams, a game where he or the skins could not find the endzone. The Redskins could not find the endzone against the Rams, Chiefs, Giants and Cowboys twice . The Redskins clearly had the easiest schedule in the league and Campbell led his team to a 4-12. For example, in the Rams' game, there were 2 dropped passes in the endzone (devin thomas and mike sellers) and at the end of the game, the useless clinton portis was stuffed at the 1 yd line. what could have been a great statistical game for Campbell was bungled by the Skins general ineptitude. Against the Lions, it was 100% time of possession. Skins D was beat by Stafford and Kevin Smith ran for 100yds. Zorn also went with Portis on a goalline 4th and 1 and whiffed. The Lions went 99yds for a score I watched the skins a lot last year...Campbell was not their problem.
Rockinon Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 There are so many ways this could work out. I can see the pecking order being: Campbell Fitz Brohm Edwards or Campbell Brohm Fitz Edwards possibly Brohm Campbell Fitz Edwards or even Brohm Fitz Campbell Edwards If they want a caretaker for a year it could be: Fitz Brohm Campbell Edwards or Fitz Campbell Brohm Edwards. That is pretty much every combination that makes any sense. In every case Edwards is last. I sense a pattern here.
VADC Bills Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 For example, in the Rams' game, there were 2 dropped passes in the endzone (devin thomas and mike sellers) and at the end of the game, the useless clinton portis was stuffed at the 1 yd line. what could have been a great statistical game for Campbell was bungled by the Skins general ineptitude. Against the Lions, it was 100% time of possession. Skins D was beat by Stafford and Kevin Smith ran for 100yds. Zorn also went with Portis on a goalline 4th and 1 and whiffed. The Lions went 99yds for a score I watched the skins a lot last year...Campbell was not their problem. I was at the Redskins home games and the fans felt that Campbell was the main problem as well as bad offensive line. The only potentially great game Campbell played was against the Saints where he still threw the OT pick. I'm not judging Campbell on last year alone. What about the previous 3 years??? How about when Todd Collins took the team to the playoffs after Campbell was injured. Campbell could not have won those games.
VADC Bills Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 You are making the argument to draft Clausen. Not only does he have the physical tools necessary to be a successful qb, he also has a more aggressive personality to lead a team. He is the type of person who can push other players to do better because no one is not going to acknowledge his maximum work efforts. What he does on and off the field will give him more credibility than the other more passive personalities at qb have to offer. Most people who have a nickle worth of objectivity recognize that the Bills are a very long way from respectability. If you can get your franchise qb in the first year of a new front office and coaching staff then you should do it. Last year, Jimmy Clausen played well. He did that with a very damaged foot. That in itself says something about his toughness and committment to the game. There are a lot of short term things that Buddy Nix can do to quickly get the Bills to the level of respectabililty. Instead of striving for something so limited why not think outside of the typical small Buffalo box and go for the player with the big upside. The Bills need to establish a new identity and break away from the embarrassing past. Clausen more than the other lackluster qb prospects gives us the opportunity to move in the right direction away from the pervasive stench of mediocrity. In this case being bold is not reckless. It is the smart thing to do. After hearing about Clausens pro day, I wouldn't mind seeing him drafted. We need a QB, OL, DL. Why not take Clausen and fullfill the other needs in the later rounds. We tend to draft better in the later rounds anyway. I would rather see Clausen than Tebow in a Bills uniform.
JohnC Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 After hearing about Clausens pro day, I wouldn't mind seeing him drafted. We need a QB, OL, DL. Why not take Clausen and fullfill the other needs in the later rounds. We tend to draft better in the later rounds anyway.I would rather see Clausen than Tebow in a Bills uniform. Without even discussing physical tools there is not a qb in this draft (including Bradford) who is better mentally prepared to run a pro offense than he is. Under Weis he was schooled to read defenses, check off plays and take snaps directly behind the center. Players such as Tebow, Jarrett Brown, Pike etc are years away from being prepared to start in the NFL. If Clausen is drafted the Bills could pick up a veteran such as Bulger who can be the short term bride player before he becomes the starting qb. In my view the qb is the most instrumental player on the field for both the offense and even the defense. If your offense is working at a decent level that keeps your defense off the field more. There are a number of people who state that the Bills need to solidify the OL and DL before drafting a qb with a high pick. Some of these same people who make that argument state that we can draft our franchise qb next year. What happens if the Bills continue to be a mediocre team and draft in the 6-10 range again, and again? Isn't it smarter to get your franchise qb candidate on the team sooner rather than later? The argument that there is no sure thing drafting a qb high is nonsensical in that there is no sure thing drafting any player high at any position. Would drafting Clausen be a bold move? Maybe so. But what is wrong with shaking things up and demonstrating some creativity and courage to the most boring and staid franchise in the NFL?
Mister Defense Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 Jason Campbell is a loser quarterback--and, in my view, will never be able to lead a team to any kind of real success. NO chance of him leading a team to the Superbowl. He looks like a rookie: still makes rookie mistakes, holds on to the ball too long, can't seem to read defenses, seems to have no touch on balls over 12 or so yards. Why bring is someone who looks soo bad, who, and I assume many would agree, offers this team almost no chance to either win consistently or to EVER take us to the promised land. It is a loser mentality to want to bring in some yahoo who looks like a college quarterback still. His winning percentage is awful--and if you have watched the Redskins (despite decent looking stats) he is often a HUGE reason that they lose. I think their team has been much better, but that Campbell makes them look like a hapless group with no chance. Let's say no to losers. The Bills have had enough of those since Kelly left.
BillsZubaz Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 Regardless of who we pick up. There will be a camp competition. So essentially the question in my mind is: who would win a camp competition? We have seen trent, fitz and Campbell. I love Brohm's upside so I voted for him.
12Kachy Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 Should've put our emergency QB in the poll - Roscoe Parrish.. Fred had a TD pass last year. I think he is 1 for 1, 22 yards, 1 TD. He is our guy.
12Kachy Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 Everyone hates Edwards but puts Campbell in front? I don't understand. It has to be because he was not in a Bills uniform last year. TE = JC. Campbell is a bum, Edwards is a bum, and I plain don't like Fitz. He is another Van Pelt, Volek type of guy. Back up until the end. If there is one problem to the QB situation that needs to be fixed it's the damn O-Line and Gailey and Nix are sitting around picking their noses in that department. Obviously Woods and Levetire are good, but the rest are big bums. They have to fix the O-Line for any QB to have a chance. If you dont fix that, you might as well run the ball every play.
lets_go_bills Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 The best player should start, and that's Jason Campbell.
JPS Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 I voted Edwards. Not because he's the best QB, but because he's better than Fitz and Brohm and does not retard the development of this team by costing us even 1 draft pick. If Campbell was clearly franchise material, the pick is worth it. If not, why waste a pick on just "a guy". For the life of me, I don't understand why people support Fitz. He's like a box a chocolates.....and not good ones.
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