meazza Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Should the US really be spending money to take care of Mexico's problems? http://www.economist.com/world/americas/di...e=hptextfeature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 ... and who exactly is causing the Mexican drug problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 27, 2010 Author Share Posted March 27, 2010 ... and who exactly is causing the Mexican drug problem? Obviously the giant market north but you won't solve the problem either way. It is too lucrative. You're better off legalizing the contraband eliminating the incentives for these gangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 ... and who exactly is causing the Mexican drug problem? Mexicans. Next question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Mexicans. Next question. Without demand, there's no supply. If it wasn't Mexicans, it'd be someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Without demand, there's no supply. If it wasn't Mexicans, it'd be someone else. Why can't these drugs be made in the US? Because we have laws and enforce them. Is their something about the climate in Mexico that is favorable to cooking meth? Yes, a corrupt government that would embarrass 1920's Chicago. They need to enforce their own laws and quit whining about US "demand". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Why can't these drugs be made in the US? Because we have laws and enforce them. Is their something about the climate in Mexico that is favorable to cooking meth? Yes, a corrupt government that would embarrass 1920's Chicago. They need to enforce their own laws and quit whining about US "demand". Guess what? The whole world isn't like the United States. If the Mexicans "enforce" their laws, production will happen in a different distressed third world country. It's basic economics and it's not going to change very easily because there are a whole lot of third world countries whose governments don't have the money to go after producers who are better equipped, funded, connected than they are. Maybe we could start building prisons in other countries with money we don't have. Or we could face the reality that legalizing drugs might not be the worst idea in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Why can't these drugs be made in the US? Because we have laws and enforce them. Is their something about the climate in Mexico that is favorable to cooking meth? Yes, a corrupt government that would embarrass 1920's Chicago. They need to enforce their own laws and quit whining about US "demand". These drugs aren't made in the US because the economics of the drug trade make it easier to grow them in foreign lands and then import them into the US. Perhaps you'll recognize that the main reason Mexico is a major drug trafficking country is because US stopped the flow of drugs through Caribbean. If you're successful in stopping the flow through Mexico, at a cost of another 20,000 lives, then the flow will move back to Caribbean or to Canada. You will never ever be able to stop the flow because demand is too big. Why is it so hard to see that prohibition doesn't work? Doesn't anyone remember the other "Prohibition?" How did that one work out? Oh, yeah it gave the American Mafia a nice growth platform. Why should the experience with non-alcohol drugs be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 27, 2010 Author Share Posted March 27, 2010 These drugs aren't made in the US because the economics of the drug trade make it easier to grow them in foreign lands and then import them into the US. Perhaps you'll recognize that the main reason Mexico is a major drug trafficking country is because US stopped the flow of drugs through Caribbean. If you're successful in stopping the flow through Mexico, at a cost of another 20,000 lives, then the flow will move back to Caribbean or to Canada. You will never ever be able to stop the flow because demand is too big. Why is it so hard to see that prohibition doesn't work? Doesn't anyone remember the other "Prohibition?" How did that one work out? Oh, yeah it gave the American Mafia a nice growth platform. Why should the experience with non-alcohol drugs be any different? At the very least, you could legalize Marijuana. That on its own will probably eliminate half the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 At the very least, you could legalize Marijuana. That on its own will probably eliminate half the problem. +1 I am not sure about the harder drugs. I would at least start with marijuana and see if usage increases over the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 I'm thinkin' legalize mary jane; then elect the stoners to office; then there would be a good reason why there is no effective efficient government at any level. We could have the same level of productivity as now, just less acrimony. Can ya' just see Nancy P after a blunt or six....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Guess what? The whole world isn't like the United States. If the Mexicans "enforce" their laws, production will happen in a different distressed third world country. It's basic economics and it's not going to change very easily because there are a whole lot of third world countries whose governments don't have the money to go after producers who are better equipped, funded, connected than they are. Maybe we could start building prisons in other countries with money we don't have. Or we could face the reality that legalizing drugs might not be the worst idea in the world. Difference is we share a border with only one third world county. Mexico. And they are the problem, not Colombia, Peru or Afghanistan. I don't care where the drug is made, it must physically get into the US,and Mexico has let it's self, intentional or otherwise, be the gateway to the US. Why are there no drug wars in Canada over the US drug trade? Because they have laws and enforce them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 These drugs aren't made in the US because the economics of the drug trade make it easier to grow them in foreign lands and then import them into the US. Perhaps you'll recognize that the main reason Mexico is a major drug trafficking country is because US stopped the flow of drugs through Caribbean. If you're successful in stopping the flow through Mexico, at a cost of another 20,000 lives, then the flow will move back to Caribbean or to Canada. You will never ever be able to stop the flow because demand is too big. Why is it so hard to see that prohibition doesn't work? Doesn't anyone remember the other "Prohibition?" How did that one work out? Oh, yeah it gave the American Mafia a nice growth platform. Why should the experience with non-alcohol drugs be any different? I don't think Meth needs to be "grown" anywhere. It just needs a corrupt government to overlook it's manufacture, which Mexico is happy to provide. Please don't suggest the US is the source of Mexico's problems. They need to clean their own house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 I don't think Meth needs to be "grown" anywhere. It just needs a corrupt government to overlook it's manufacture, which Mexico is happy to provide.Please don't suggest the US is the source of Mexico's problems. They need to clean their own house. Newsflash, Mexico never had drug problem until the US stopped the seaborne flow of drugs from South America. If you think that 90% of Mexican drug problem isn't directly related to the US, then you're sadly mistaken or you happen to be heavily under the influence of one of those drugs. How's this for a solution, what if Mexico as a sovereign nation legalizes the cultivation, importation and trafficking of all drugs? That will eliminate all of its drug problems. What are you going to say then? They just solved their problem, but too bad you're still clinging onto the idea that prohibition is working stateside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 27, 2010 Author Share Posted March 27, 2010 Difference is we share a border with only one third world county. Mexico. And they are the problem, not Colombia, Peru or Afghanistan. I don't care where the drug is made, it must physically get into the US,and Mexico has let it's self, intentional or otherwise, be the gateway to the US.Why are there no drug wars in Canada over the US drug trade? Because they have laws and enforce them. There is actually a turf war now. http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_of_...n-montreal.html Montreal is going through one for dominance of the drug distribution market there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Why is it so hard to see that laws against 'criminal' activity don't work period, be they for theft, tax evasion, or what have you. It only encourages the growth of criminal organizations. Why should the experience with drugs be any different? The only logical answer is to decriminalize everything, lest our inability to eliminate such activity in the US be mocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Can we add Isreal to the list. I heard on CNN we gave them 3 billion this year. For what? They don't need the money. Our gov. needs the money, they should give us 3 billion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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