F UNC Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 as for the comparisons to JP Losman....who knows, if Losman would have had Chan Gailey maybe he would have turned a corner at some point. He didn't, we all know that....QBs need surroundings - coaching / line / talent, etc TULANE DOES NOT EQUAL NOTRE DAME...Clausen has been under the microscope for a while now and has evolved a bit.
silvermike Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 However, he is cut from the same cloth as Rex Grossman and J.P. Losman, possessing an elitist attitude and selfishness that could polarize a locker room and create needless drama that may detract from a team That's the operative language. If you've got an elitist attitude and a selfish personality, well, you've gotta have the goods on game day. Jim Kelly was cocky son-of-a-B word, but he had all-world talent and earned it. Losman/Grossman, um, less so. That language basically means the same as this, from earlier: Angry competitor-plays with gusto...Carries a swagger and has a very confident demeanor when the game is on the line-wants the ball in his hands in the clutch and will recommend plays. If it works, you're a swaggering winner. If it doesn't you're a 'hole. Couldn't tell you which he's going to do.
HurlyBurly51 Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 as for the comparisons to JP Losman....who knows, if Losman would have had Chan Gailey maybe he would have turned a corner at some point. He didn't, we all know that....QBs need surroundings - coaching / line / talent, etc TULANE DOES NOT EQUAL NOTRE DAME...Clausen has been under the microscope for a while now and has evolved a bit. Arguing with yourself?
seadog Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Oh, come on, find one professional pundit who says Clausen can't make all the throws. He can. He's got a very strong arm. "Has a strong arm and is capable of making all throws with zip and accuracy. " http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile...rospect_id=2387 "Arm strength: While Clausen's arm is strong enough for the NFL, he can't accurately make all deep throws. On deep outs Clausen will take some zip off the ball and not deliver it as quickly. It will also take him a while to get deep passes out as he has to rely on his body to get the ball out. His arm will never be confused for Joe Flacco's or Matt Stafford's, but it's every bit as strong as Mark Sanchez's." You add evidence to my post. "he can't accurately make all deep throws". "His arm will never be confused for Joe Flacco's or Matt Stafford's". http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2009/12/8/1...-draft-scouting " Very good arm strength; can fit balls into tight windows ... Great touch ... Sometimes gets too much air under fade route" Note: "sometimes" which implies that it's not lack of arm strength ... it's coachable. http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010jclausen.php "...a strong arm and excellent accuracy. ... throws well on the run. ... Clausen throws a nice deep ball, but his strength is in the intermediate passing game where he can deliver the ball with the most zip. He leads his targets well and knows how to throw the ball in tight coverage, putting it where only his receiver can catch it. " http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recr...scouting_report EDIT: Heck, here's the quote from the OP's article he got from the PFW magazine: "Can drive the deep out and sling it into tight windows-can hit the deep outs, comebacks and posts and make all the throws. " -------- It's pretty clear that people are saying that sometimes he floats it too much, but not that it's because he hasn't got the arm. There are a few questions about the guy. Arm strength isn't one of them. Never questioned his arm strength. Just stated he can't make all the throws and puts to much air under his balls. If his arm will never be mistaken for Flacco or Stafford's and is more like Sanchez's then his arm isn't super strong. It may be strong just not super strong o.k.. Again I say he is'nt worth a top ten pick. He may turn out to be a fantastic qb, just not worth the Bills spending the #9 pick on. If he's there in the second I would consider. We just have to many needs. I would rather play with guy's on our roster and fill other area's, pick a late round prospect that we will not be kicking or selves in the but over if he does'nt pan out. The only reason he's even considered in the the top of the draft is because he played for Wise at N.D. in a pro style offense.
seadog Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I stare at computer screens all day. My eyes are sooooo tired. Thanks. So what the hell are you doing staring at the computer screen all night? Go to bed.
Green Lightning Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 No Link available. Do you really think I'd type all this stuff if I could link it? I type 1 finger at a time. It's not from a website, it's from Pro Football Weekly's Draft Preview which is not on a website, unless you pay for the entire book & download the adobe file. The best I could do was quote the relevant stuff on Clausen. Wow, that took some determination. Thanks for doing this. It's a good read. Loved the J.P. reference.
BUFFALOTONE Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 After reading the summary it makes me want him as a QB even more. Look We are drafting this kid to be the starting QB not sell goods for the bake sale. He is he most PRO READY QB in the draft. Everyone has a downside, and you are going to punish this kid for getting punched in the face from some yahoo in Conn? The guy was at a restaurant with his family when it happened. Clausen over Bradterd and day of the week, twice on SUNDAY!
Rob's House Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 The part that bothers me is that he's flustered by the pass rush. That can be the kiss of death in the NFL.
eball Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Jim Kelly was a GRADE A jackass coming out of college. Does everyone just casually forget he snubbed the Bills for three seasons? Jimbo was always a leader on the field, which is where it matters, and it seems this Clausen kid is as well. That's what "wins" the locker room. I don't care whether the Bills pick Clausen or not, but saying you wouldn't want him on your team as a result of that writeup is, well, just a tad ridiculous.
BUFFALOTONE Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Jim Kelly was a GRADE A jackass coming out of college. Does everyone just casually forget he snubbed the Bills for three seasons? Jimbo was always a leader on the field, which is where it matters, and it seems this Clausen kid is as well. That's what "wins" the locker room. I don't care whether the Bills pick Clausen or not, but saying you wouldn't want him on your team as a result of that writeup is, well, just a tad ridiculous. Thanks baller, couldn't have said it better.
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Jim Kelly was a GRADE A jackass coming out of college. Does everyone just casually forget he snubbed the Bills for three seasons? Jimbo was always a leader on the field, which is where it matters, and it seems this Clausen kid is as well. That's what "wins" the locker room. I don't care whether the Bills pick Clausen or not, but saying you wouldn't want him on your team as a result of that writeup is, well, just a tad ridiculous. Kelly also destroyed the 1989 season by calling out a teammate publicly. Luckily, the team was able to rebound from that. However, Kelly at that point was an established NFL star QB. If we pick Clausen, he will be highest paid Bill for proving nothing at the NFL level. Guys like Jeff George, Jay Cutler, & JP Losman had all the talent in the world. But they had personalities that rubbed their teammates the wrong way. As a result, all 3 have losing records. You have to be concerned with Clausen's personality. He's definitely got talent but this other stuff scares the crap out of me.
Albany,n.y. Posted March 26, 2010 Author Posted March 26, 2010 Kelly also destroyed the 1989 season by calling out a teammate publicly. Luckily, the team was able to rebound from that. However, Kelly at that point was an established NFL star QB. If we pick Clausen, he will be highest paid Bill for proving nothing at the NFL level. Guys like Jeff George, Jay Cutler, & JP Losman had all the talent in the world. But they had personalities that rubbed their teammates the wrong way. As a result, all 3 have losing records. You have to be concerned with Clausen's personality. He's definitely got talent but this other stuff scares the crap out of me. JP doesn't have all the talent in the world. He has a strong arm, a little mobility and nothing else. That's why he's a guy who can start in the UFL but is now an NFL afterthought.
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 JP doesn't have all the talent in the world. He has a strong arm, a little mobility and nothing else. That's why he's a guy who can start in the UFL but is now an NFL afterthought. I meant physical talent. I'm not a Losman at all but you can't dispute he had all the physical tools you look for in a QB.
KD in CA Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 So the 'scary' is basically that's he's immature, just like 90% all college juniors. The 'good' is that he sounds like Jim Kelly on the field. After watching this team kitty around for the last decade, I would kill for a QB that is an "angry competitor". I meant physical talent. I'm not a Losman at all but you can't dispute he had all the physical tools you look for in a QB. Losman had an arm, but he didn't show a lot of ability to read defenses, handle pressure situations or throw with great accuracy, all things Clausen does well.
BUFFALOTONE Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 So the 'scary' is basically that's he's immature, just like 90% all college juniors. The 'good' is that he sounds like Jim Kelly on the field. After watching this team kitty around for the last decade, I would kill for a QB that is an "angry competitor". Losman had an arm, but he didn't show a lot of ability to read defenses, handle pressure situations or throw with great accuracy, all things Clausen does well. JP could throw it 65 yards in the air but god forbid he hits a 10 yard curl route. Clausen can make every throw and then some.
turftoe Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 I really think that Buffalo will end up wanting one of the top 2 QBs in this draft. Detroit would prefer to trade down and is confident that a trading partner will be there. If Bradford goes #1, I could see us moving up to get Clausen, that is, if the Bills are sold on him as a franchise QB. Martin Mayhew comments
KD in CA Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 I really think that Buffalo will end up wanting one of the top 2 QBs in this draft.Detroit would prefer to trade down and is confident that a trading partner will be there. If Bradford goes #1, I could see us moving up to get Clausen, that is, if the Bills are sold on him as a franchise QB. Martin Mayhew comments He's worth taking at #9. He's not worth paying the price to trade up to a top 3 pick. No one is.
Ramius Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 He's worth taking at #9. He's not worth paying the price to trade up to a top 3 pick. No one is. Yup. Clausen at #9 would probably end up with a contract of 6 years, 40-45 million, something like 55-60 max value with performance bonuses and escalators, but more importantly, something like $18 million guaranteed. Clausen at #2 would be something in the ballpark of 6 years, 75 million, with 35 million guaranteed.
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