CountDorkula Posted March 24, 2010 Author Posted March 24, 2010 I don't know if I would characterize trading a second or third round pick for a good QB as "mortgaging the future". Yes, the trade i proposed earlier is not mortgaging the future. (Swappin 1st's and giving up a 4th) You still have a 1st, be it a late one, and you give up a 4th, or a guy hoping to at least make the practice aquad. For a dang good QB who can "zing th thing" all over the place. McNabb never had a very efficient running game, which would take more of the pressure off of him. Our running game is better than Phili's
The Poojer Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 asking if we are still even in the league...laughing because we voted against the new overtime rule in the playoffs because we don't make the playoffs therefore we don't care about the playoffs....talking about playing 'games' in canada and how we are closer to being in the CFL rather than the NFL....same old kind of stuff we are used to hearing.....of course it was all done tongue in cheek, but it still was painful to listen to how were they blasting the Bills? Cuz we would be getting their QB?
Alphadawg7 Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 And Buffalo has less talent than Philly...so unless McNabb can block for himself and somehow catch his own passes, mortgaging the future to "win now" (which they might not do anyway) is not going to solve the problem. We went down the same dead end road with Bledsoe. Where do you get this "win now" stuff anyway? Nix has already said this is a multi-year rebuilding effort. Come on, you cant be serious. McNabb has only had a true #1 reciever barely over 3 seasons. He had TO for a season and a half and D. Jax about a season and half when you factor in injuries and youth. Thats it...and to top it off, he never had a quality #2 either in those years. Truth is, Mcnabb has done more with less better than just about any QB I have ever seen. He made players who are no better than #3 WR's into starters and still got his teams to the NFC championship games and even the SB (as TO missed all the playoff games to get to the SB). Buffalo's WR's right now would LITERALLY be the best group of WR's he has really had in his entire career. Even when they had TO they had nothing else. The group in Phi is quite promising, but D. Jax and Evans are really a very similar player except D. Jax actually has someone to get him the ball, but I think Evans is a better overall player and with a real QB he will finally show that. Our young guys are promising too. The only thing Phi has over us right now on offense really is a better O Line...but if we get a LT at #9, and with the recovery of Wood, our O Line would be up and coming. Actually, Phi TE Celek has to be considered currently better than Nelson, but Nelson has way more upside in the passing game and this is only his second year.
1billsfan Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 AGREE...AGREE...AGREE...when did a 33-yr old qb become "old"??? Did anyone see a decline in McNabb"s #'s??? He has a lot to prove and at least 5 more years in the proverbial tank IMO! When the 33-yr old qb has had 573 career rushing attempts.
purple haze Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 McNabb for a conditional third. The Bill's third round pick this year...then if the Bills make the playoffs (with McNabb playing the majority of their games) they get next year's second, or if the Bills have a winning record (with McNabb playing the majority of their games) they get our next year's third. That is the MOST I would offer the Eagles for about the tenth best QB in the NFL with injury issues and who has only about two productive years left. Where did you get your crystal ball. I would love to get one so I can tell the future too. Two years, huh?
purple haze Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 He brought his team to the playoffs more than 8 times, 4 consecutive NFC Championships, has had terrible receivers at times (unless you consider hank Baskett, Freddy Mitchell good ones). When was the last time teh Bills have a winning season, let alone playoffs? What you said. I think some Bills fans have gone crazy. A Hall of Fame QB is not good enough now? Wow. Yet, all anyone says is the QB's on the roster suck. Most don't want Clausen or Tebow. Folks would rather keep that 3rd round pick and take Dan LeFevour, who might be good at some point, but who knows. Newsflash; if they get McNabb they will draft a QB to bring along behind him this year or next. If McNabb is available for the right price they should get him and do it quickly.
RayFinkle Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 When the 33-yr old qb has had 573 career rushing attempts. Steve Young played until he was 38, and had one of his best statistical years when he was 37 (over 4,000 yds and 36 TDs). He also had 489 career rushing attempts at age 33. John Elway played until he was 38 and didn't win a Superbowl until he was 37. He also had 538 career rushing attempts at the age of 33.
1billsfan Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 Where did you get your crystal ball. I would love to get one so I can tell the future too. Two years, huh? I got it at a magic shop on the jersey shore. It said that McNabb has only two more decent years tops as an NFL starter.
1billsfan Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 Steve Young played until he was 38, and had one of his best statistical years when he was 37 (over 4,000 yds and 36 TDs). He also had 489 career rushing attempts at age 33. John Elway played until he was 38 and didn't win a Superbowl until he was 37. He also had 538 career rushing attempts at the age of 33. Oh c'mon man! Those are two Hall of Fame QBs! McNabb is starting way down the QB skills scale compared to those two QBs.
RayFinkle Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 Oh c'mon man! Those are two Hall of Fame QBs! McNabb is starting way down the QB skills scale compared to those two QBs. McNabb is a SuperBowl away from being a legit canidate for a HOF QB. Another article from the Philly Inquirier...Nothing new to add, but entertaining
1billsfan Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 McNabb is a SuperBowl away from being a legit canidate for a HOF QB. Another article from the Philly Inquirier...Nothing new to add, but entertaining A candidate more like Phil Simms who still hasn't made it in. Even if he did win one I still wouldn't view him as a HOFer.
shoretalk Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/2010...ing_a_stir.html Says McNabb to the Bills for picks, is all the buzz. If we can have him for a #3 pick fine ... but he is far from the quarterback he once was ... his passes often fall short and out of the reach of his receivers ... Philly cannot go into the preseason with all 3 of these guys so the pressure is on them especially since they have had to pay Vick his roster bonus. Offer them a #4 and bend to a #3 or a 2015 #2 with conditions haha. time for us to do some draft pick stealing and stop the damage ...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 Yes, the trade i proposed earlier is not mortgaging the future. (Swappin 1st's and giving up a 4th) You still have a 1st, be it a late one, and you give up a 4th, or a guy hoping to at least make the practice aquad. For a dang good QB who can "zing th thing" all over the place. McNabb never had a very efficient running game, which would take more of the pressure off of him. Our running game is better than Phili's I like this idea a lot. Bills are not in a position to give up a lot of draft picks, but if we still had a pick in the 1st 3 rounds and got McNabb, then we're immediately better but still able to build for the future.
shoretalk Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 I got it at a magic shop on the jersey shore. It said that McNabb has only two more decent years tops as an NFL starter. Was at the same magic shop ... amazing that guy is starting to be a major source of NFL news for discussion boards. All you have to do is read almost half of the opinions here and you know that's where everyone is going for their inside info!
Coach Tuesday Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 Reid is a genius when it comes to designing passing plays - to his own detriment. McNabb has never been protected by a running game. I believe he had several years of 60-40 pass-run ratio. Yes he has mastered the West Coast system, but he's also a very good athlete and a smart player (putting aside the overtime brainfart). You give him a decent running game and don't ask him to sling it out every single game and he is an elite QB. I'm not sure what I'd give for him in terms of draft picks, a 2nd by itself seems steep to me but that may be what it takes. I don't want to wait 4-5 more years while we develop a young QB. Draft a LT in Round 1, trade a pick or two for McNabb, and grab Skelton in the 5th round to develop under him.
1billsfan Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 Was at the same magic shop ... amazing that guy is starting to be a major source of NFL news for discussion boards. All you have to do is read almost half of the opinions here and you know that's where everyone is going for their inside info! I hear it's the same guy who sucker punched Snookie.
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 They're saying on Sirius that this is a bad fit for the Bills----McNabb has been in a west-coast offense his entire career and Chan's offense is completely different.
toddgurley Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 Its a no brainer to me, if you can get McNabb without giving up too much-YOU DO IT!!! Was just watching Sportcenter and Andy Reid just said they are now entertaining trade offers for their 3 QB'S. Which is the first time the Eagles have come out and said this So what do the rest of the Bills fans think?
kota Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 No. He is a bandaid to a bigger problem. We need a young franchise QB. Not someone who will be out of the league in a few years.
tennesseeboy Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 I have heard on the tv and NFL radio that the talk is about a second rounder for him. Get an OT in the first round and McNabb for a second rounder and we would have a significantly improved offense. Interesting possibility. He is 33 and should have significant years left, despite a pretty serious series of injuries. I'm ambivalent, but leaning a little more toward the idea of going for it.
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