the good that has come to me from "obamacare"

[Lori]

Wow. Gus is seven already? Tempus fugit ...

[Thirdborn]

Wow. Gus is seven already? Tempus fugit ...

 

It's crazy, I know. that means we're all seven years older. White in my beard .... sigh

[Astrojanitor]

I tried to wrap my brain around this statement, I really did. But this is one of the saddests things I've ever read here.

 

you know man, with anything the government intends to do there is a lot of fat that accomplishes very little. There has never been a trend of purely good policy coming out of washington--this bill is not different. I would argue that half of this bill is 30 years too late and half should never have been done. but it's a start in dealing with an industry that's out of control. but you get a giant pile o'drama queen screaming about how the bill will drop us into a socialist hellscape. it won't. You get a giant pile o'drama queen screaming about how the bill will finally allow equal access to quality health care. it won't. Instead it is a highly flawed step in the right direction.

[DC Tom]

Who are " the county's least productive and least appreciative citizens" that you speak of?

 

Just ignore him. He's an idiot.

 

Most of the decent ideas in this law could have been written into maybe 50 pages and passed in an afternoon. It's the other 1950+ pages that many people find objectionable.

[DC Tom]

Instead it is a highly flawed step in the right direction.

 

Think about that statement for a bit...

[Chef Jim]

Instead it is a highly flawed step in the right direction.

 

You know I tried to wrap my brain around this statement, I really did. But it's the second saddest thing I've read here. So what you're saying is that with all the minds in Washington and all the resources and money they have they could only create something that is highly flawed? How the !@#$ can something be highly flawed and a step in the right direction at the same time. That tells you right there how !@#$ed up everyone of these politicians are. You may be ok with something highly flawed but I sure the hell am not.

[Astrojanitor]

Half?

 

You obviously don't know much about it. And if you don't have the money, time, or patience to do it right the first time you'll NEVER have the resources to fix it. That's reality, regardless of the endeavor.

 

Your statement is the equivalent of building a house out of **** and trying to patch it a piece at a time over decades. Social Security is a disaster. Medicare/Medicaid are fraught with fraud and waste. DoD wastes copious amounts of money. NOTHING EVER CHANGES. It just gets more expensive.

 

Ding! Hotpockets are done.

 

I know plenty about it, but I'm also not delusional. the entire system is messed up. discourse has reverted to two sides shrieking at each other with neither really listening. To think that any bill of honest substance could ever be developed, not even health care just any kind of bill at all, is naive beyond belief. If the republicans had their way (which they did not too long ago) it would be a disaster (which it was). same with the dems. it would be outstanding if something, anything, could be done right the first go round. yet that's not the world we live in. The problem is this country is radically different from region to region. Elements of this bill have been standard in NY for years...so why do we have to pass legislation for Oklahoma to come up to NY standards? It's an argument for the whole state's right issue. It is literally impossible to create a piece of legislation that satisfies both NY and OK (sidenote: I lived in OK for years--I'm not just randomly picking a backwards state. I picking a state I know is backwards).

Do it perfect the first time? Beautiful idea...but fully impossible.

[Astrojanitor]

You know I tried to wrap my brain around this statement, I really did. But it's the second saddest thing I've read here. So what you're saying is that with all the minds in Washington and all the resources and money they have they could only create something that is highly flawed? How the !@#$ can something be highly flawed and a step in the right direction at the same time. That tells you right there how !@#$ed up everyone of these politicians are. You may be ok with something highly flawed but I sure the hell am not.

 

I never said it was okay. unfortunately the chumps we have chosen to represent our interests are barely human. They are unable to produce anything of any real substance. It's like complaining the tee-ball team I played on in 1982 is not nearly as good as the Mets.

This whole thing could be 20 pages long and infinitely better. Forbid some of the more unethical practices and allow a voluntary public option. In dealing with the insurance industry that's all that really needed to be done.

But honestly, when was the last time something that fully made sense went down? There's a pile of bs that needs to go, but there is also a pile of regulation that forces the industry to behave ethically.

 

you take the good you take the bad. it's the facts of life. the facts of life.

[Chef Jim]

I never said it was okay. unfortunately the chumps we have chosen to represent our interests are barely human. They are unable to produce anything of any real substance. It's like complaining the tee-ball team I played on in 1982 is not nearly as good as the Mets.

This whole thing could be 20 pages long and infinitely better. Forbid some of the more unethical practices and allow a voluntary public option. In dealing with the insurance industry that's all that really needed to be done.

But honestly, when was the last time something that fully made sense went down? There's a pile of bs that needs to go, but there is also a pile of regulation that forces the industry to behave ethically.

 

you take the good you take the bad. it's the facts of life. the facts of life.

 

You take the good with the bad when the good way outweighs the bad. We have nothing of the sorts with this.

[PromoTheRobot]

Who are " the county's least productive and least appreciative citizens" that you speak of?

People who don't belong to country clubs and drive BMW's I suppose.

 

PTR

[Astrojanitor]

You take the good with the bad when the good way outweighs the bad. We have nothing of the sorts with this.

 

that's where we differ: I think the good outweighs the bad; however, the bad must be remembered and dealt with

[Chef Jim]

that's where we differ: I think the good outweighs the bad; however, the bad must be remembered and dealt with

 

Because we won't experience the bad for many years. But it will rear its ugly head and when it does, it will be too big of monster to deal with.

[Alaska Darin]

Do it perfect the first time? Beautiful idea...but fully impossible.

Bull. And it's the people like you who laud this **** who are the problem. It's much the same thing as when the government supposedly made housing affordable for more people. You know, the thing that led to this recession, bailouts, the devaluation of the dollar, even further exploding deficits, etc...

 

You don't understand it. Someday you will.

[Astrojanitor]

Because we won't experience the bad for many years. But it will rear its ugly head and when it does, it will be too big of monster to deal with.

 

here's all I know: I won't get dropped (again) for having a pre existing condition and I don't really care about taxes/money. I stick to my beliefs and give away my disposable income so an extra bit of taxes do not bother me at all. Although, I respect the financial issue for many people and hope it can be dealt with in reasonable/respectful way. I don't buy into the all or nothing attitude since I am fully aware of politicians being pillars of human filth. Now I want huge chunks of this bill undone. Demanding insurance? hate it. Just like helmet laws...totally pointless. You cannot deny the good the bill will do. The rest of it? Just have to stay vigilant and hope someone listens.

[Astrojanitor]

Bull. And it's the people like you who laud this **** who are the problem. It's much the same thing as when the government supposedly made housing affordable for more people. You know, the thing that led to this recession, bailouts, the devaluation of the dollar, even further exploding deficits, etc...

 

You don't understand it. Someday you will.

 

sorry. it's the delusional types that assume democrats were preventing a legislation that would truly look out for "the little guy" that are the problem. this mess has been going on for a year yet the right never once developed an alternate plan for a problem 70% of all americans marked as a serious concern.

[Chef Jim]

here's all I know: I won't get dropped (again) for having a pre existing condition and I don't really care about taxes/money. I stick to my beliefs and give away my disposable income so an extra bit of taxes do not bother me at all. Although, I respect the financial issue for many people and hope it can be dealt with in reasonable/respectful way. I don't buy into the all or nothing attitude since I am fully aware of politicians being pillars of human filth. Now I want huge chunks of this bill undone. Demanding insurance? hate it. Just like helmet laws...totally pointless. You cannot deny the good the bill will do. The rest of it? Just have to stay vigilant and hope someone listens.

 

I agree with dropping pre-existing conditions. But I don't agree with all the other things in there that we have to take to get that.

[Alaska Darin]

sorry. it's the delusional types that assume democrats were preventing a legislation that would truly look out for "the little guy" that are the problem. this mess has been going on for a year yet the right never once developed an alternate plan for a problem 70% of all americans marked as a serious concern.

WTF are you talking about?

[Astrojanitor]

WTF are you talking about?

 

what are you complaining about? politicians passed a bill that did not take the interests of the people at heart? shocking. One side wanted to do something, and they did something flawed. Another side wanted to do nothing. It all ends up being a game of inches. this bill gives us a tiny bump into progress, but there are elements that we need to stay vigilant on.

[Alaska Darin]

what are you complaining about?

I'm complaining about this bill, which is likely going to be the thing that finally pushes us over the financial edge as a country. Lauding it is the same thing as saying a 1-15 season doesn't suck because you got one win. Unfortunately this bill is the equivalent of that, 10 other teams going 0-16 AND the BILLS having traded their first, second, and third round picks for a guy who suffered a career ending injury during the season.

 

Enjoy pick number 135, losers.

politicians passed a bill that did not take the interests of the people at heart? shocking.

One side wanted to do something, and they did something flawed. Another side wanted to do nothing.

Nothing would have been better in the long run. And I don't care about sides. I hate both the Republicans and the Democrats. You can save the talking points rhetoric for someone else.

It all ends up being a game of inches. this bill gives us a tiny bump into progress, but there are elements that we need to stay vigilant on.

If it was a game of inches the Democrats could have passed only the few strong points that are in the bill, not 2500 pages of this !@#$ing abortion. You've completely missed "the elements that we need to stay vigilant on". That horse left the barn and has run to !@#$ing Namibia.

[Astrojanitor]

I'm complaining about this bill, which is likely going to be the thing that finally pushes us over the financial edge as a country. Lauding it is the same thing as saying a 1-15 season doesn't suck because you got one win. Unfortunately this bill is the equivalent of that AND 10 teams going 0-16 and the BILLS having traded their first, second, and third round picks for a guy who suffered a career ending injury. Enjoy pick number 100, losers.

 

 

Nothing would have been better in the long run. And I don't care about sides. I hate both the Republicans and the Democrats. You can save the talking points rhetoric for someone else.

 

If it was a game of inches the Democrats could have passed only the few strong points that are in the bill, not 2500 pages of this !@#$ing abortion. You've completely missed "the elements that we need to stay vigilant on". That horse left the barn and has run to !@#$ing Namibia.

 

let me ask you this: no attitude at all, I am just very interested in hearing what the other side's goals are. So 70% of the people wanted some kind of health care reform...what would you propose? My ideal bill would be to remove the ability of the insurance companies to kick people off the plans for pre-existing conditions or to raise rates to unreasonable levels. I would also like a low cost, voluntary, public option. what would be your ideal plan for this issue?

 

as a side note: no rhetoric from me--there is nothing in this world I care less about than a republican or democrat. No politician will ever be able to speak for me