One thing Obama Care won't cover

[IDBillzFan]

My government makes my motorist friends buy car insurance, has for a long time.

Does your government make them buy a car?

[The Big Cat]

Does your government make them buy a car?

 

Do you really expect to win this argument?

 

Or should we start debating the value human life vs the value of transport?

[keepthefaith]

My government makes my motorist friends buy car insurance, has for a long time.

 

You realize that when your friends buy car insurance, the liability portion (which protects other motorists and other people's property) is the manadatory part and that buying insurance to protect your own property is optional.

[OCinBuffalo]

Do you really expect to win this argument?

 

Or should we start debating the value human life vs the value of transport?

Do you really expect me to believe that you still don't "perceive the nuance" here?

 

The whole point, idiot, is that being born is not the same as buying something...and you are making this about: worth? Clearly one is worth more than the other....

 

....so how does that make your point that health insurance = car insurance? When by your own admission here: one is not the same as the other?

 

Aren't you in college? How do you pass anything? Oh, wait, I remember, we stole all the tests too, dude...

[IDBillzFan]

Do you really expect to win this argument?

 

Or should we start debating the value human life vs the value of transport?

I'll kick your ass on this argument all day today, and straight through the new week.

 

Answer the question: does your government MAKE you buy a car?

 

Let me save you the trouble before Obama changes this, too: NO. That makes getting liability insurance an option, doesn't it? If you don't want to buy car insurance, DON'T BUY A CAR, you freaking dolt. It's not a mandate, it's a choice.

 

And who are you protecting by purchasing liability insurance? Do you expect the whole world to pick up the tab for hospital costs for every person you hit, or every piece of property you destroy, in your wreck?

 

For the third time on the third different topic, quit while you're ahead.

[The Big Cat]

Do you really expect me to believe that you still don't "perceive the nuance" here?

 

The whole point, idiot, is that being born is not the same as buying something...and you are making this about: worth? Clearly one is worth more than the other....

 

....so how does that make your point that health insurance = car insurance? When by your own admission here: one is not the same as the other?

 

Aren't you in college? How do you pass anything? Oh, wait, I remember, we stole all the tests too, dude...

 

Do you expect to win this argument?

 

Or should we start debating the value of human life vs the value of transport?

[The Big Cat]

I'll kick your ass on this argument all day today, and straight through the new week.

 

Answer the question: does your government MAKE you buy a car?

 

Let me save you the trouble before Obama changes this, too: NO. That makes getting liability insurance an option, doesn't it? If you don't want to buy car insurance, DON'T BUY A CAR, you freaking dolt. It's not a mandate, it's a choice.

 

And who are you protecting by purchasing liability insurance? Do you expect the whole world to pick up the tab for hospital costs for every person you hit, or every piece of property you destroy, in your wreck?

 

For the third time on the third different topic, quit while you're ahead.

 

You're such an awesome guy.

[OCinBuffalo]

Do you expect to win this argument?

 

Or should we start debating the value of human life vs the value of transport?

Winning requires an argument. You don't have one, as I clearly stated above. Come back when you do.

 

Here's some help:

 

ar·gu·ment  /ˈɑrgyəmənt/ Show Spelled[ahr-gyuh-muhnt]

 

3. a process of reasoning; series of reasons: I couldn't follow his argument.

4. a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point: This is a strong argument in favor of her theory.

 

Either definition will suffice.

[IDBillzFan]

You're such an awesome guy.

Ah, so the argument is over? Just like that?

 

Jesus, I don't remember the last time I saw you realize the stupidity of your argument so quickly. That's some real growth, Big Cat. Kudos to you.

[The Big Cat]

The simple fact that you have no problem with the fact that your government mandates you to purchase something speaks volumes about your inability to understand what is happening.

 

You may want to read up on freedom, and liberty, and what other bigger, better, stronger, and smarter people than your own self did to provide the life in this country that you are so ready to cast aside.

 

But to your point, since we seem to have gotten away from it...what if I was okay with the government mandating a buy something? Your counter preference is more righteous because...?

[The Big Cat]

Ah, so the argument is over? Just like that?

 

Jesus, I don't remember the last time I saw you realize the stupidity of your argument so quickly. That's some real growth, Big Cat. Kudos to you.

 

Equating can and health insurance is juvenile, but this isn't an ambush, so let's get back to the matter at hand.

[OCinBuffalo]

Equating can and health insurance is juvenile, but this isn't an ambush, so let's get back to the matter at hand.

Right....so this:

My government makes my motorist friends buy car insurance, has for a long time.

must have been your little brother posting with your account again huh?

 

EDIT: Have to put it in college terms: You FAIL at having an argument, again!

[The Big Cat]

Right....so this:

 

must have been your little brother posting with your account again huh?

 

EDIT: Have to put it in college terms: You FAIL at having an argument, again!

 

No, just a little nibble before we truly delve in. Always fun to get a couple pinches and scratches before we really throw down.

[murra]

But to your point, since we seem to have gotten away from it...what if I was okay with the government mandating a buy something? Your counter preference is more righteous because...?

 

Actually there is an answer to that one. You'd have to explain why your preference is for the government to chose. If you then have no real answer, then it is determined that you don't actually want the government to make choices for you, you just don't know any better. Therefore, his counter preference is in fact righteous, solely on the fact that it is based on some semblance of reality.

 

Edit: I had more to say, but I erased it in fear that you'd focus on that in an effort to ignore the topic at hand.

[Alaska Darin]

I think you'd find that conservatives are quite benevolent. I think you'd also find that conservatives would support taxation if they felt that the taxing body was responsible and efficient in spending tax dollars. Our Federal government (and llinois as well) are anything but that.

That would be much more believable if George W. Bush and John McCain weren't the last 2 candidates the so called "conservatives" ran for the Executive.

[UBinVA]

The U.S.A. was founded on principles of individual rights and liberty. These rights are not given to us by government or man but are endowed by our creator. They can not be taken away by man or government.

 

Liberals and Socialists believe in "collective rights" and these "rights" are conveyed by man/government to other men. If these so called "rights" by man are deemed (right for food, health care, shelter, etc.) then those same rights can be taken away by man at any time.

 

With "collective rights", all people have those rights but others are forced to pay for those rights. If you can't afford your health care, I'm forced to pay for it. Charity and volunteerism become part of conscription on behalf of the government and individuals are left to rely on the government and not the community.

 

If your a socialist and support these collective rights that's fine, but our country was not founded on these principles nor does our constitution validate it.

[3rdnlng]

Does your government make them buy a car?

Not yet, but when they do I'm sure it will be from GM.

[Magox]

My government makes my motorist friends buy car insurance, has for a long time.

Not the same at all..

 

That's because when you drive there are others that are at risk, including whoever is financing your vehicle. It's called liability dumbass

[GG]

My government makes my motorist friends buy car insurance, has for a long time.

 

Alright, let's try another angle at your perfect analogy.

 

Your state mandates that you carry car insurance, for which you pay for out of pocket with after tax dollars and qualify for based on your age, driving record and credit history. If your risk profile rises, so will your premium until you're deemed such a huge risk that you won't be able to buy insurance. This describes what insurance really is.

 

Now, which of the above provisions equates to the new healthcare law, other than the requirement that you have to buy "insurance?"

[murra]

Alright, let's try another angle at your perfect analogy.

 

Your state mandates that you carry car insurance, for which you pay for out of pocket with after tax dollars and qualify for based on your age, driving record and credit history. If your risk profile rises, so will your premium until you're deemed such a huge risk that you won't be able to buy insurance. This describes what insurance really is.

 

Now, which of the above provisions equates to the new healthcare law, other than the requirement that you have to buy "insurance?"

 

I think we should leave the car insurance example alone. Clearly the big cat made a mistake. Let's give him time to research the next angle.