Thurman#1 Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 With a shot to be the starter (unlike in GB), and with Gailey who's gotten the most out of the QB's he's had, Brohm could be a pleasant surprise. I don't see any surefire QB's in this draft, meaning they'd have to draft a project (which they still should) who will take time to develop. It's been said before, because it makes too much sense not to say, but I'll say it again. There are no surefire QBs in ANY draft.
Doc Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 It's been said before, because it makes too much sense not to say, but I'll say it again. There are no surefire QBs in ANY draft. True. And this one has even FEWER than previous ones.
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 Perhaps we've heard it so much because it's germane, reasonable and raises serious questions. My client believes it neither to be germane nor tantamount to the case at hand!
Alphadawg7 Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 In order to be placed on the practice squad, you have to be released and clear waivers. Nobody claimed him. While on the practice squad, you can be signed by any team. No team signed him for ten weeks until the Bills did. So, it's a lot more than MacCarthy passing on him. Every team in the NFL in essence said they didn't want him on their roster. Over exaggeration of the situation...Brohm was put on practice squad at a time where teams were completely set at QB with the season about to start. Its not very common for teams to add a QB at the point barring an injury because the QB essentially will be so far behind, especially one thats never played, that he would take a spot from someone else that could contribute. Not to mention, being he had a poor showing in what very few pre season reps he had and that GB put him on the practice squad leads others to make assumptions too. I 100% guarantee that if Brohm was released in the offseason he would have been signed. Way too much is made of the fact no one claimed him at that point without the consideration of the entire situation.
BillsVet Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 In order to be placed on the practice squad, you have to be released and clear waivers. Nobody claimed him. While on the practice squad, you can be signed by any team. No team signed him for ten weeks until the Bills did. So, it's a lot more than MacCarthy passing on him. Every team in the NFL in essence said they didn't want him on their roster. The likelihood of a team finding a starting QB from another club's PS is remote. Besides, 32 teams passed on signing the guy after hitting GB's PS. For another team to sign him, all they had to do was put him on the active 53 man roster, yet no one did. Pro Personnel Departments are looking for guys all the time; it's their job after all. I have to believe that after hitting waivers, he hadn't demonstrated enough to be on someone's roster. And that's with the NFL being a QB driven league. League inactivity tells me a lot re: Brohm.
PromoTheRobot Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 Not saying the guy will be good, but why are we to assume he won't? Because Mike McCarthy, god of all that which is QB, put him on the practice squad? Is that really the reason? Because we look for any flaw to condemn players as "busts". If we can get them off a practice squad they can't possible be any good because no one on ESPN or NFLN is slobbering over them. PTR
Guest dog14787 Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 Not saying the guy will be good, but why are we to assume he won't? Because Mike McCarthy, god of all that which is QB, put him on the practice squad? Is that really the reason? From what I've seen , I think allot of folks around here have high hopes for Brian Brohm, myself included. Maybe I'm missing something. On this board you will never make everyone happy.
PromoTheRobot Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 The likelihood of a team finding a starting QB from another club's PS is remote. Besides, 32 teams passed on signing the guy after hitting GB's PS. For another team to sign him, all they had to do was put him on the active 53 man roster, yet no one did. Pro Personnel Departments are looking for guys all the time; it's their job after all. I have to believe that after hitting waivers, he hadn't demonstrated enough to be on someone's roster. And that's with the NFL being a QB driven league. League inactivity tells me a lot re: Brohm. As we all know NFL personnel departments are infallible. Only the Bills were dumb enough to make a kid from Coe College who played in some obscure indoor football league their starting RB. What a joke! PTR
Captain Hindsight Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 Because he couldn't beat out a 7th round pick to even make the roster That 7th rounder won a national championship....hes no slouch
DarthICE Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 "You're not wrong Walter, your just an !@#$" - Jeff Lebowski I resemble that remark!
Albany,n.y. Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 The likelihood of a team finding a starting QB from another club's PS is remote. Besides, 32 teams passed on signing the guy after hitting GB's PS. For another team to sign him, all they had to do was put him on the active 53 man roster, yet no one did. Pro Personnel Departments are looking for guys all the time; it's their job after all. I have to believe that after hitting waivers, he hadn't demonstrated enough to be on someone's roster. And that's with the NFL being a QB driven league. League inactivity tells me a lot re: Brohm. While it's remote, it does happen. However, when it has happened in the past, it's been a late round or undrafted guy, not a player who had a college career like Brohm or was drafted in the 2nd round only 1 year before. When you cut a player drafted as high as the 2nd round teams usually put in claims for the guy, unless they view him as beyond redemption. Lower profile players fall through the cracks, not ones with as high a profile as Brohm had. The worst argument that the Brohm supporters use appeared in this thread: The one that claims that rosters are set in September & teams don't want to bring in a new guy who doesn't know their system-absolute rubbish! If a team sees a guy on waivers who they think has starting potential, they snap him up ASAP. It's even more true in September when more of those types are cut than any other time of the year. Just look at all the waiver claims that happen the week between cutdown & opening day. The Jets traded a 7th for Kevin O'Connell & kept him as their 3rd/4th stringer all season. They did it right before opening day. Now the most die hard Brohm appologists will tell you that they just did it to use against NE. If that was true, he would have been waived right after the Jets played NE the 2nd time. Kevin O'Connell is viewed in higher regard than Brian Brohm, having been claimed once off waivers & then traded right before the season started. But the only people in Buffalo who would want Kevin O'Connell starting are fans of the weatherman with the same name.
DarthICE Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 The likelihood of a team finding a starting QB from another club's PS is remote. Besides, 32 teams passed on signing the guy after hitting GB's PS. For another team to sign him, all they had to do was put him on the active 53 man roster, yet no one did. Pro Personnel Departments are looking for guys all the time; it's their job after all. I have to believe that after hitting waivers, he hadn't demonstrated enough to be on someone's roster. And that's with the NFL being a QB driven league. League inactivity tells me a lot re: Brohm. And add to the fact the RUSS BRANDON led personnel department is who brought him in. To me that is the biggest red flag of them all.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 The likelihood of a team finding a starting QB from another club's PS is remote. Besides, 32 teams passed on signing the guy after hitting GB's PS. For another team to sign him, all they had to do was put him on the active 53 man roster, yet no one did. Pro Personnel Departments are looking for guys all the time; it's their job after all. I have to believe that after hitting waivers, he hadn't demonstrated enough to be on someone's roster. And that's with the NFL being a QB driven league. League inactivity tells me a lot re: Brohm. You act like those Pro Personnel Dept people from the other teams were sitting in on GB's practices watching the kid play. No one has any film on him except the very limited preseason time he played which wasnt very impressive. So, it isnt like these teams were able to build their own evaluation on him like GB did. In fact, the ONLY team with any info on him was GB and despite having a top QB in Rodgers who is young and a back up they love, they still tried to keep him. The reality of the situation was that the other teams had their active rosters set, had multiple QB's already, had PS QB's already, all that could contribute during the upcoming season. Brohm, with ZERO playing time ever in the NFL, and no time on the team to learn their playbook would have taken a roster spot from someone who could contribute yet wouldnt have been able to contribute himself. So, to do that, they had to look at his preseason outings, where he struggled, to decide if they should take a roster spot from someone to pick him up. So, like you, they had obvious assumptions about him because GB did stash him on the PS. FYI: The entire NFL passed on Brady at least 6 times each...Bill Walsh thought Jim Drunkenmiller was going to be a stud and said JJ Stokes was going to be the next Jerry Rice and traded up to get him...how did those work out? Those are just a few of endless examples where teams for whatever reason believed in a guy or didnt believe in a guy just to find out the opposite was true.
DarthICE Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 That 7th rounder won a national championship....hes no slouch Really? Ever look at his stats at LSU? And BTW it doesn't change the fact Brohm couldn't beat out the THIRD QB on the packers roster to even make the regular squad. He was a practice squad player. Ever done a search on how many practice squad QB's have ever won a superbowl?
DarthICE Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 You act like those Pro Personnel Dept people from the other teams were sitting in on GB's practices watching the kid play. No one has any film on him except the very limited preseason time he played which wasnt very impressive. So, it isnt like these teams were able to build their own evaluation on him like GB did. In fact, the ONLY team with any info on him was GB and despite having a top QB in Rodgers who is young and a back up they love, they still tried to keep him. The reality of the situation was that the other teams had their active rosters set, had multiple QB's already, had PS QB's already, all that could contribute during the upcoming season. Brohm, with ZERO playing time ever in the NFL, and no time on the team to learn their playbook would have taken a roster spot from someone who could contribute yet wouldnt have been able to contribute himself. So, to do that, they had to look at his preseason outings, where he struggled, to decide if they should take a roster spot from someone to pick him up. So, like you, they had obvious assumptions about him because GB did stash him on the PS. FYI: The entire NFL passed on Brady at least 6 times each...Bill Walsh thought Jim Drunkenmiller was going to be a stud and said JJ Stokes was going to be the next Jerry Rice and traded up to get him...how did those work out? Those are just a few of endless examples where teams for whatever reason believed in a guy or didnt believe in a guy just to find out the opposite was true. Sure they wanted to keep him, Hell I want him....as our 3rd QB just like Green Bay would have. NOT as our starter.
Tortured Soul Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 Over exaggeration of the situation...Brohm was put on practice squad at a time where teams were completely set at QB with the season about to start. Its not very common for teams to add a QB at the point barring an injury because the QB essentially will be so far behind, especially one thats never played, that he would take a spot from someone else that could contribute. That argument goes both ways - it's not very common for teams to add a QB at that point because quality QBs that teams see value in having on their roster are not often cut at that point. Here's a list of the final roster cuts. If you look at the QBs, that's not a group Brohm wants to be associated with: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32714871/ns/sports-nfl/
DrFishfinder Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 Not saying the guy will be good, but why are we to assume he won't? Because Mike McCarthy, god of all that which is QB, put him on the practice squad? Is that really the reason? Who is "we"?
Albany,n.y. Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 You act like those Pro Personnel Dept people from the other teams were sitting in on GB's practices watching the kid play. No one has any film on him except the very limited preseason time he played which wasnt very impressive. So, it isnt like these teams were able to build their own evaluation on him like GB did. In fact, the ONLY team with any info on him was GB and despite having a top QB in Rodgers who is young and a back up they love, they still tried to keep him. The reality of the situation was that the other teams had their active rosters set, had multiple QB's already, had PS QB's already, all that could contribute during the upcoming season. Brohm, with ZERO playing time ever in the NFL, and no time on the team to learn their playbook would have taken a roster spot from someone who could contribute yet wouldnt have been able to contribute himself. So, to do that, they had to look at his preseason outings, where he struggled, to decide if they should take a roster spot from someone to pick him up. So, like you, they had obvious assumptions about him because GB did stash him on the PS. FYI: The entire NFL passed on Brady at least 6 times each...Bill Walsh thought Jim Drunkenmiller was going to be a stud and said JJ Stokes was going to be the next Jerry Rice and traded up to get him...how did those work out? Those are just a few of endless examples where teams for whatever reason believed in a guy or didnt believe in a guy just to find out the opposite was true. You act like nobody had a file on the guy from his college days. Year after year, when the Bills have picked up players cut by other teams they have said things like "We liked him coming out of college." Pro Personnel depts just don't rely on the film from pre-season, they also look at what their scouts said of guys coming out of college. They combine that with current film, scouting reports etc. When all they see is a compounding of their "weakness" category on the pro film, they pass. If they see some of the strengths, they bite & sign the guy. Rosters are not set at the QB position. Years ago we added Travis Brown right before the season because we thought he had more potential than what we had. Teams do it all the time. You want Brohm & you'll make any excuse to justify your desire. The real reason is because all our QBs suck & the only one who has not been a total disappointment is Brohm. The reason for that is he hasn't played enough YET, to disappoint you. When he does, you'll realize why GB & the rest of the league let the Bills have him. By the way, Brady was drafted in the 6th, but NE never put him on waivers, they kept 4 QBs his rookie year because they refused to gamble by waiving him to stash on their practice squad. If they were sure every team wouldn't have claimed him, I'm sure they would have freed up that roster spot instead of doing the unconventional & carrying 4 QBs. GB didn't care if they lost Brohm-they waived him rather than keep a spot for him on the 53 man roster.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 Really? Ever look at his stats at LSU? And BTW it doesn't change the fact Brohm couldn't beat out the THIRD QB on the packers roster to even make the regular squad. He was a practice squad player. Ever done a search on how many practice squad QB's have ever won a superbowl? Lets get this clear...one, you are probably the last person that should be involved in this thread since you have admited several times you dont know anything about Brohm and all your claims and points about him are assumptions based on the fact he was on a PS. Second, He didnt lose out to the 3rd string QB. Brohm and Flynn were drafted in the same year to back up Rodgers...Flynn adjusted to the speed of the game faster so they went with Flynn when they were both rookies because they felt Flynn was more READY to play. Then this past year, Brohm was a year behind Flynn who was entrenched as the back up as GB loves Flynn and has said so many times. With all of GB's other needs that couldnt carry 3 active QB's...they were not going to put the guy that was more ready to play in their system, Flynn, on the PS just to hope to keep Brohm based on potential. Brohm never had a chance to beat out Flynn because GB loves Flynn and had him entrenched as the 2nd QB. All Brohm was ever doing in preseason was auditioning for a trade, and when he struggled that idea fizzled out. So they stashed him on the PS hoping no one would grab him so they could develop him more in hopes of trading him this offseason. That is also why they tried to match the offer, so they could keep him and trade him later...not because they wanted him to beat out Flynn. But, you dont have a clue about the acutal scope of the REAL situation surrounding his placement on the PS and just ignorantly spout off at the hip about it all over this board and the shout box...find a new tune to sing, preferably one you actually know something about this time...
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