Ramius Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 This has to be one of the most insanely idiotic posts I've ever read. I think bandit did a good job of completely debunking this nonsense so I won't waste any of my time retreading his logic which I am quite certain will have no affect whatsoever on your opinion anyway, since it is perfectly clear that logic and reason are concepts that are utterly lost on you. I will just say that your post is a flagrant insult to lucid thought, and as such, you should really consider not saying anything at all, rather than demonstrating your stupidity to the rest of the world. Given the complete lack of any sign of intelligence in any post you've ever made, i'll take this as a compliment. You've turned being clueless and wrong into an art form.
Ramius Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Aside from the obvious fact that the guys you mention didn't have anywhere near the college success that Tebow did, none of them (1) played in the toughest conference in college football or (2) put up anywhere near the numbers that Tebow did, with the possible exception of Chang's passing yardage. Looking at TD:INT ratio, QB rating, YPA, and oh-so meaningless stats called "wins" and "championships", it's not even close between the guys you mentioned and Tebow. I also find it more than humorous that practically everything you mention in your first paragraph is an opinion, and yet you call these opinions "cold hard facts", when in all actuality the linked article presents only that--facts. Not opinions regarding his mechanics, the prettiness of his spiral, or a totally misconceived perception of his strength of opponents. How can you possibly claim that a guy that faced LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Miss St., Auburn, and Vanderbilt on a yearly basis is piling up his numbers against sub-standard competition? Even the most casual fan could tell you that the SEC boasts a far, far better compliment of defensive teams than any other major conference. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/stat...ference=I-A_all Frankly, the fact that you even went in this direction with your post reeks of a guy that didn't read the article, since pretty much everything you mentioned was addressed in it. In summary, you'd probably be better served to state your opinions as just that, opinions, since factually, you aren't even close on anything you stated. But hey, no hard feelings. All your little article/blog did was post some numbers about tebow's college career. And we all know that numbers are directly indicative of pro success. I read the article, and there wasn't squat about tebow's poor mechanics and his never taking a snap from center, and his inability to go through progressions, except for the blogger summarily dismissing those claims without backing anything up. While comments about mechanics and his inability to read a may be opinions, they are opinions shared by nearly every NFL scout/executive and football journalist. I do find it amusing that you debunk my argument as nothing more than an "opinion" and then you go trot out the most asinine argument of them all, the "he just wins" line.
Trader Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 I'd be shocked if Tebow lasted until the 5th round even if all 32 coaches agreed he had no more than Van Peltian ability at QB. Some owner would make it happen in the 3rd, 4th at the latest. Anyone who believes that Tebow will last until the 5th round does not know anything about the business side of football. season tickets are bought before the season starts and Tebow will sell plenty of tickets before his throws his first pass or runs from the wildcat or pistol formations.
Meark Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Are these rhetorical questions, or are you truly asking for answers? It was rhetorical, but I would love to hear your answers.
tonyjustbcuz Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/colu...&id=4994935 Good blog! Tonight I am growing inpatient with this D. Mcnabb thing, The rumors, smokescreens, posturing ! If D. McNabb truly doesn't want to come here??? then the heck with him!!!!!!!!!! Of course I would be very excited initially if he was traded to Buffalo, but if that means he will only sign for one year or even two (as there is a relatively high probability it will be a strike season..) then it's just not worth doing when evaluating the overall prudence of trading for him. I for one would hate to see the Bills get into a bidding war with teams like ST.Louis and Oakland and whomever else may "really" be interested in McNabb. I think the smartest "move" after careful thought would be not making a move at all unless McNabb signs a 3 year contract that is incentive heavy and that we don't give up more than a 2nd round draft pick this year. I don't care if we throw in a mediocre player on our roster as we have plenty of those! But getting back to the point of my reply is that I believe Tim Tebow would gladly go to any team and give it his all to succeed. I believe in the intangibles!!! I believe that Tim Tebow would strive to succeed and success is practically all he knows! The power of belief is strong, a hard work ethic, the willingness to change, learn, improve, and have high set of morals and leadership ability. Although I have never been a fan of Tebow's or on his bandwagon I believe that he or someone else with similar chacteristics is what we want for "Our Team" !!! I think D. McNabb may play very well in spurts but he is on the downside. He is rounding the hill past his prime in a downward spiral. He is rumored to be a bit overweight and foot slow...He still has passing skills but that isn't always his best attribute. I think we'll get one good season out of McNabb and that's about it if we traded for him. You do remember the highly anticipated Drew Blesdoe that was the so-called answer to our desires?? Also after thinking about it...We really need our 2nd round pick and what if we could find Tebow or another QB with potential in the 2nd. At least we may have the possiblity of having someone for the next 10 years if they pan out!!! Sure there is risk drafting a QB...But Donovan McNabb doesn't have 10 years left, 9,8,7,6,5,4 years left... at best 3 years and probably 1 or 2 years which may include a strike season in which there are no games. What would it accomplish having McNabb for just one season...besides selling seats at the Ralph??? even if they had a decent draft, filled a few holes, learned the 3-4, avoided the injury plague etc....I can't see the Bills winning more than 8 or 9 games if everything fell into place perfectly!!! That won't be enough to get to the playoffs!! So what's the point when it's more likely that the Bills will win approx. 5 games...maybe 6 or 7 because of the upgrade in QB with McNabb....I finally have talked myself into drafting our franchise QB of the future !!! Do you think the Jets regret it??? How about Indy back when they landed Peyton Manning?? How about New Eng. with Brady??? Sure the risk of Ryan Leaf exists!!! But it does at OT ie: Mike Williams, at WR Roscoe Parrish, etc.... Get that OLT, QB, DT/NT, WR in the draft and maybe we'll have tasty gravy eventually instead of day old poorage!!!!!! I am finally beginning to see the light of what Buddy Nix has been talking about in reference to building through the draft. Historically, each time I think I have the Bills organization figured out they surprise me and outdo themselves by making a bad personnel decision. I will be monitoring this whole situation carefully as I believe it will forshadow the organizations philosophy now and in the near future. If Buddy Nix avoids making this trade in the end and drafts a QB, then I will finally start to believe that they have become "Serious" about winning in the future instead of trying to plug a hole for the short-term which hasn't worked out well for us in the past. It will sell tickets getting McNabb and then eventually we'll be just as excited to hang up his cleats for good as I don't envision him as being the long-term answer to the equation!! Drafting wisely and keeping your talent prior to a player become a FA is what I hope the Bills will do as we put the pieces together. Let's go Buffalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Dean Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 At the end of the day - my money says Tebow will be a decent QB. Very similar to Doug Flutie in that...he just wins. If ZERO playoff wins in the NFL is good enough for you, then Flutie is just your kind of QB. How could a QB who "just wins" have ZERO playoff wins in the NFL?
thebug Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 If ZERO playoff wins in the NFL is good enough for you, then Flutie is just your kind of QB. How could a QB who "just wins" have ZERO playoff wins in the NFL? Are you forgetting about his CFL playoff wins?
/dev/null Posted March 27, 2010 Posted March 27, 2010 Just imagine if the Bills drafted Tebow This thread would be as long and pointless as Last Post Wins
thebandit27 Posted March 27, 2010 Posted March 27, 2010 All your little article/blog did was post some numbers about tebow's college career. And we all know that numbers are directly indicative of pro success. I read the article, and there wasn't squat about tebow's poor mechanics and his never taking a snap from center, and his inability to go through progressions, except for the blogger summarily dismissing those claims without backing anything up. While comments about mechanics and his inability to read a may be opinions, they are opinions shared by nearly every NFL scout/executive and football journalist. I do find it amusing that you debunk my argument as nothing more than an "opinion" and then you go trot out the most asinine argument of them all, the "he just wins" line. So, if I've got this right, your opinions regarding his throwing motion, read progression, etc. (all of which can be corrected with coaching, if a guy is willing to work hard) qualify as "cold hard facts" but stating that he's got more wins and championships than any of the QBs you mentioned (and most of the current NFL upper-echelon QBs) is "asinine" in your book? That's not an opinion, Raimus, it's a fact. He's a winner, and he played in the toughest conference in college football. He's also an extremely hard worker; is there any doubt in your mind that he'd be 100% dedicated to being the best QB he could be? Are you contending that he's somehow unable to be coached into better mechanics and footwork? Here are the facts, once more, for your review: - He's a great athlete that has played QB at a top college program, in the top college conference, for more than 3 seasons - He's been a better passer in college than most (if not all) of the current marquee NFL QBs that played in the same conference (as shown in the article) - He's been more successful in college (in terms of wins/losses and National Titles) than all of the current marquee NFL QBs I realize that you don't put any stock in those things, but most NFL people do...as I think we'll see come April 22nd.
Sig1Hunter Posted March 27, 2010 Posted March 27, 2010 It was rhetorical, but I would love to hear your answers. Simple research would go a long way in educating you. Maybe you wanna try it?
Ramius Posted March 27, 2010 Posted March 27, 2010 So, if I've got this right, your opinions regarding his throwing motion, read progression, etc. (all of which can be corrected with coaching, if a guy is willing to work hard) qualify as "cold hard facts" but stating that he's got more wins and championships than any of the QBs you mentioned (and most of the current NFL upper-echelon QBs) is "asinine" in your book? That's not an opinion, Raimus, it's a fact. He's a winner, and he played in the toughest conference in college football. He's also an extremely hard worker; is there any doubt in your mind that he'd be 100% dedicated to being the best QB he could be? Are you contending that he's somehow unable to be coached into better mechanics and footwork? Here are the facts, once more, for your review: - He's a great athlete that has played QB at a top college program, in the top college conference, for more than 3 seasons - He's been a better passer in college than most (if not all) of the current marquee NFL QBs that played in the same conference (as shown in the article) - He's been more successful in college (in terms of wins/losses and National Titles) than all of the current marquee NFL QBs I realize that you don't put any stock in those things, but most NFL people do...as I think we'll see come April 22nd. Lets simply draft every Boise St player then. They "just win".
Hazed and Amuzed Posted March 28, 2010 Posted March 28, 2010 Just imagine if the Bills drafted Tebow This thread would be as long and pointless as Last Post Wins Would be? lol There's no would be about it
John Adams Posted March 28, 2010 Posted March 28, 2010 At the end of the day - my money says Tebow will be a decent QB. Very similar to Doug Flutie in that...he just wins. I don't think anyone is saying Tebow will be as bad as Flutie.
Meark Posted March 28, 2010 Posted March 28, 2010 Simple research would go a long way in educating you. Maybe you wanna try it? I've done my research thanks. I wanted to hear your answers. Guess you don't have any.. which is what I figured.
KD in CA Posted March 28, 2010 Posted March 28, 2010 I don't think anyone is saying Tebow will be as bad as Flutie. As bad or as good? Flutie is still the last QB to lead the Bills to the playoffs.
John Adams Posted March 29, 2010 Posted March 29, 2010 As bad or as good? Flutie is still the last QB to lead the Bills to the playoffs. As bad. Flutie was Allen Iverson of QBs. A highlight reel who was not that good at his position. I'll pass on Tebow if all he is is Flutie.
naj377 Posted March 29, 2010 Posted March 29, 2010 saw tim tebow at the buffalo chop house tonight with the bills scouting team.. only to see big jimbo walk in as well.. tebow had a black sports coat on with a small bills logo on it
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