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• "Look at (Colts OLT) Charlie Johnson. The guy is not even 6-foot-4 and he has 32-inch arms. The Saints won a Super Bowl with (backup OLT) Jermon Bushrod on the left side. You can get away with an average athlete (starting at left tackle) when you have a great quarterback sitting behind him. Those quarterbacks get rid of the ball so fast. They make the line. It was the same with Mark Tauscher in Green Bay. He is a survivor, an average player who sat in front of a great quarterback. Now, it works the other way, too — if you don't have a great QB, you better have a damn good line."

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• "Look at (Colts OLT) Charlie Johnson. The guy is not even 6-foot-4 and he has 32-inch arms. The Saints won a Super Bowl with (backup OLT) Jermon Bushrod on the left side. You can get away with an average athlete (starting at left tackle) when you have a great quarterback sitting behind him. Those quarterbacks get rid of the ball so fast. They make the line. It was the same with Mark Tauscher in Green Bay. He is a survivor, an average player who sat in front of a great quarterback. Now, it works the other way, too — if you don't have a great QB, you better have a damn good line."

 

So... that's all we have to do is find a Drew Brees or Peyton Manning quality QB. Wow!! That guy is brilliant!!!

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With all due respect...re-watch some of the 1990's Bills games on youtube and compare that line to our line now. There is no comparison. Kelly has time to set his feet, survey the field and throw the football.

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He is dead on. Find a great QB and the line gets better immediately

 

Unless he's a rookie. Even Manning sucked as a rookie.

 

I would say you need a great o-line if you are going to start a rookie, or you could ruin him.

 

Since I don't see any great QBs available via FA, and drafting a QB is a crapshoot (anyone who thinks otherwise might want to think again), our safest bet is to somehow make the o-line at least adequate. It really should be the priority, but I don't see it yet.

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• "Look at (Colts OLT) Charlie Johnson. The guy is not even 6-foot-4 and he has 32-inch arms. The Saints won a Super Bowl with (backup OLT) Jermon Bushrod on the left side. You can get away with an average athlete (starting at left tackle) when you have a great quarterback sitting behind him. Those quarterbacks get rid of the ball so fast. They make the line. It was the same with Mark Tauscher in Green Bay. He is a survivor, an average player who sat in front of a great quarterback. Now, it works the other way, too — if you don't have a great QB, you better have a damn good line."

Manning had Tarik Glenn for years and then they used a #1 draft pick to replace him, he hasnt panned out yet.

 

Yes Drew Brees has a quick release but he also has alot of weapons coming out of the backfield to keep people honest, and Bushrod was a concern in the playoffs, luc

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Manning had Tarik Glenn for years and then they used a #1 draft pick to replace him, he hasnt panned out yet.

 

Yes Drew Brees has a quick release but he also has alot of weapons coming out of the backfield to keep people honest, and Bushrod was a concern in the playoffs, luc

Not sure what you're trying to say.

 

Manning carried an undermanned Indy team to the SB. There are plenty here who love to dump on him, but with an above average QB that team is out of the playoffs at the conference championship if not earlier.

 

 

Weapons, you want weapons? Evans. Owens. Jackson. Lynch. Reed. Nelson. Parish. Johnson. Hardy. And last but certainly not least...Klopfenstein!

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What is so new and fresh about this? So what? The problem is, there is no franchise QB in this draft!!! End of story.

Well, we don't know who is going to be good or not. So let's just draft a QB in every round this year. Then fill the rest of the holes with rookie free agents. If we still don't find the QB with the majic force field... then we do it all again next year. :)

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Teams typically find their interior OL in the thirds through later rounds. It's the OT's, particularly the LT's that are taken in the first.

 

Interior OL aren't required to be as nimble as the tackles who see outside pass rushers. Furthermore, if you're taking guards or centers in rounds 1 or 2, they had better be outstanding players: they should be the best 1 or 2 in the entire draft if selected that early.

 

Both NO and IND found outstanding interior OL in the middle rounds: Jahri Evans Round 4/2005 for NO and Jeff Saturday UDFA/1998 for IND. That allowed the team to use their higher picks on positions generally drafted earlier.

 

Being good in the middle rounds is underrated. If you're getting a player or two there, and nailing your top picks, you'll be building. Buffalo has been replacing and spinning its wheels for too long.

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You've got to believe that the guy who falls to you at No. 9 is going to be at least top-15 quality if you're going to draft a QB that high.

 

I just don't see the evidence that Clausen is enough of a winner, with a high enough ceiling, to pick him there. The past few drafts have shown that few college QBs come as ready for the NFL as Manning was. If you think Clausen is a Brees in the making, great. But be prepared for four years of growing up if that's the case. If we trade up for Bradford -- the only way we're getting him -- the brass better be DAMN SURE he is a top-5 QB in the making.

 

Ryan and Flacco are early success stories, but Flacco was plugged into a team that had a lot of the pieces already. Ryan was probably one of the more can't-miss guys in years.

 

Rodgers and to a much lesser extent Henne and Eli all showed that good teams often groom their QBs instead of throwing them into the fire. No mentor of the caliber that these guys enjoyed practices at One Bills Drive. The next QB we get will be expected to start quickly.

 

I think the lamentable fact is that the Bills could have sat tight, "reached" a bit for Schaub in 2004, had some more picks to play with, and be enjoying right now the fruits of those decisions. Losman was the wild card in the relatively rich QB class of '04 -- perhaps the most upside, definitely the most risk. I was in love with the upside but it became pretty clear that everyone screaming that Schaub was the darkhorse was in fact right. Instead Donahoe had to gun for it... and this team has been sent into a tailspin of even more panicked and flashy decisions, with little value beyond a few nice parts and a world-class secondary.

 

I'd look for that darkhorse in this draft -- the most Schaub-like QB we can find. Perhaps he doesn't exist, and perhaps the Bills system will yet again set up a promising QB for failure. We won't have the luxury of a league-average starter at the position to give him time to learn, but we can at the very least get on the right track without giving up the farm for a guy who will take awhile to succeed.

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• "Look at (Colts OLT) Charlie Johnson. The guy is not even 6-foot-4 and he has 32-inch arms. The Saints won a Super Bowl with (backup OLT) Jermon Bushrod on the left side. You can get away with an average athlete (starting at left tackle) when you have a great quarterback sitting behind him. Those quarterbacks get rid of the ball so fast. They make the line. It was the same with Mark Tauscher in Green Bay. He is a survivor, an average player who sat in front of a great quarterback. Now, it works the other way, too — if you don't have a great QB, you better have a damn good line."

 

Alternatively, if you are seasoning in a younger qb, have a rb with good hands. That's usually a savvy vet, but not necessarily...see rookie Rice with BAL, and Leonard with CIN.

 

Speaking of Brian Leonard, the Ram's '07 2nd round pick: His timely runs and catches kept drives alive late in their early games, and helped CIN to a W-L record against div. clubs so they squeaked into the playoffs. I peg him with 3 wins.

 

Rice was lights out for BAL...hands, runs - as Flacco experienced the sophomore analysis and treatment. Rice was their crutch...my NFL Rookie of the Year.

 

 

BTW - comment on BAL's defense - restock, and stop the chatter and the chronic, idiotic, late, personal fouls. A guard pick by the 3rd, as well.

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