Bufcomments Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 OK this is gonna be a challenge but I will give it a shot to see what y'all think. With the help of Madden 2010 this is the D that I tried a few times. I changed some ratings up or down based on what they did last year. For example, Wilson Williams and Florence was upped and players like Whitner, Maybin, downed. Set on Spectate mode. LE Stroud NT Williams RE Schobel ( if he retires oh well thanks dude) LOLB Ellison LILB Poz RILB Mitchell ROLB Maybin LCB Mc Kelvin RCB Florence Nickle McGee SS Wilson FS Byrd Played a few games with Kelsey at LOLB dont think that is gonna work way to slow in coverage. Think Wilson is good enough to start over Scott. Think McGee is better suited as a nickle back Ellison makes more plays than you would think. If Schobel retires put in Kelsey at LE and Stroud at RE. Maybin played better at OLB. Was able to get more pressure with Marcus at DE. Teams still were able to run the ball at Mitchell's side. Interesting to many blitz packages you can run. Overall based on this D we can get more pressure on the QB but still we give up yards on the ground.
manbeast Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 Schobel is not a 34 DE. Some people just have missed the dimensions of the 3-4 even though me and several others have explained it a million times already. Someone told me Spencer Johnson has had experience playing DE in the 3-4 but I have not had a chance to look into it. I have just arrived to the point that they will realise it next year and I am not going to argue with them. Schobel will make an excellent OLB in the 3-4 IMO. The said thing is that all they have to do is look at the draft boards and see the guys that project to OLB/4-3DE and under stand that the 2 are close. OLB has to be quicker than the average DE and that is why not all the 4-3 DEs are projected this way. They will also notice the DT/DE these are 3-4 DEs. The 300 pound Bruce Smith was projected as a DT/DE we played a 3-4 the rest is history.
Turn Down For Watkins Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 Replace Schobel with Spencer Johnson at RE and move him to LOLB for Ellison and that would prob be the most realistic defense with what we have on the roster right now
FutureBillsGM Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 Replace Schobel with Spencer Johnson at RE and move him to LOLB for Ellison and that would prob be the most realistic defense with what we have on the roster right now With Maybin and Schobel on the outside, we are basically running a 5-2-4 defense which would be best against the run. Unfortunately, this 5-2-4 would be weak against the run. Schobel and Maybin would both be liabilities in coverage and Mitchell isn't much better.
manbeast Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 With Maybin and Schobel on the outside, we are basically running a 5-2-4 defense which would be best against the run. Unfortunately, this 5-2-4 would be weak against the run. Schobel and Maybin would both be liabilities in coverage and Mitchell isn't much better. We have used Schobel in zone coverage before. I believe both will be fine you don't ask any OLB in the NFL to cover deep. He is not going to cover a 20 yard route.
manbeast Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 If Schobel and Maybin can transition well to OLB and I believe they can and we strike gold in the draft at NT baring injuries I believe we could field a formidable Defense. This is all speculation and there are some "ifs" but our D may be something to look forward to. Probably all we have to look forward to.
generaLee83 Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 LE Stroud -agreeNT Williams - needs 20+ pounds but I agree RE Schobel ( if he retires oh well thanks dude) - no way, 242 pounds? way too small, I put Spencer Johnson here LOLB Ellison - F Ellison- Schobel or Chris Ellis LILB Poz - Agree RILB Mitchell - Agree ROLB Maybin - Agree LCB Mc Kelvin -McKelvin needs to smarten up, I put McGee here RCB Florence - Agree, best cover CB the Bills had last year Nickle - McKelvin SS Wilson - Agree FS Byrd - Agree
vincec Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 LE StroudNT Williams RE Schobel ( if he retires oh well thanks dude) LOLB Ellison LILB Poz RILB Mitchell ROLB Maybin LCB Mc Kelvin RCB Florence Nickle McGee SS Wilson FS Byrd So, we have replaced Kelsay with Maybin. Otherwise, it's the same personnel on defense. Something tells me the results will be similar. (and replacing Ellison with Johnson by moving Schobel to OLB isn't exactly a major upgrade either)
Art in PNS Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 Some people just have missed the dimensions of the 3-4 even though me and several others have explained it a million times already. Someone told me Spencer Johnson has had experience playing DE in the 3-4 but I have not had a chance to look into it. I have just arrived to the point that they will realise it next year and I am not going to argue with them. Schobel will make an excellent OLB in the 3-4 IMO. The said thing is that all they have to do is look at the draft boards and see the guys that project to OLB/4-3DE and under stand that the 2 are close. OLB has to be quicker than the average DE and that is why not all the 4-3 DEs are projected this way. They will also notice the DT/DE these are 3-4 DEs.The 300 pound Bruce Smith was projected as a DT/DE we played a 3-4 the rest is history. yes but the only time Bruce played anywhere near 300 pounds was the firsttwo seasons when he was working towards a bust category. Slow slow slow. Then he got serious went to his fighting weight 270-285 I think for most of his career and voila !!!!!!
Astrobot Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 The best use of this exercise is to see what is the greatest misfit at that position. For example, Mitchell moving inside makes sense given his injury (less space to cover) and given his good communication ability. What that changes in the draft is the Positional Need for ILB especially compared to NT, OLB and DE, which I see as a major need in your lineup. My recommendation when I submit needs to DraftTek would be to lower the ILB need to P3 from P2, keep NT at P2, and raise DE to P2. Any comment?
Pygskin36 Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 Schobel is not a 34 DE.. Schoebel will never be a 3-4 end... Olb if anything.. I like Kelsay as the end if he bulks up a little... I love Kyle Williams as a rotational nt, but we need to add a star in that spot... Williams won't be that guy on a playoff defense.... He is physical, but that spot needs a two gapper.. A rock, not a penetrator... Nix has a lot of work to do.. Give him a chance..
R. Rich Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 If Schobel and Maybin can transition well to OLB and I believe they can and we strike gold in the draft at NT baring injuries I believe we could field a formidable Defense. This is all speculation and there are some "ifs" but our D may be something to look forward to. Probably all we have to look forward to. In addition to rushing the passer from the outside, 3-4 OLBs absolutely must be proficient in dropping back in pass defense. Neither Schobel or Maybin have shown a propensity to do this. The best dropback DE/OLB hybrid that the Bills had was Ryan Denney, who is no longer on the roster. Also, 3-4 OLBs have containment responsibilities. This is also a weak point in both Maybin and Schobel's game. Both have shown that they're a sucker for counter moves, which help to break contain and open the outside to huge gains in both the running game (think Harrison's big run in the Monday night loss to Cleveland two years ago) and the passing game (a particularly rough outing for Maybin in the pre-season game vs Pittsburgh last year). I'm not saying that these guys can't get it done as 3-4 OLBs. I merely point out that it is far from a given.
Bufcomments Posted March 7, 2010 Author Posted March 7, 2010 Schobel is not a 34 DE. I don't think he will return to play LB, I just don't see him in coverage and doing well. I could see him retired. I don't see how Kelsey will make the switch to LB. So if Schobel retires I would move him to RE and replace him with Johnson on passing downs.
BYGD1 Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 OK this is gonna be a challenge but I will give it a shot to see what y'all think. With the help of Madden 2010 this is the D that I tried a few times. I changed some ratings up or down based on what they did last year. For example, Wilson Williams and Florence was upped and players like Whitner, Maybin, downed. Set on Spectate mode. LE Stroud NT Williams RE Schobel ( if he retires oh well thanks dude) LOLB Ellison LILB Poz RILB Mitchell ROLB Maybin LCB Mc Kelvin RCB Florence Nickle McGee SS Wilson FS Byrd Played a few games with Kelsey at LOLB dont think that is gonna work way to slow in coverage. Man you did it, you cracked the code on the Patriots secret weapon of winning Madden Video Games, why the hell did we not do that before ROFL Think Wilson is good enough to start over Scott. Think McGee is better suited as a nickle back Ellison makes more plays than you would think. If Schobel retires put in Kelsey at LE and Stroud at RE. Maybin played better at OLB. Was able to get more pressure with Marcus at DE. Teams still were able to run the ball at Mitchell's side. Interesting to many blitz packages you can run. Overall based on this D we can get more pressure on the QB but still we give up yards on the ground.
BYGD1 Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 Man you did it, you cracked the code on the Patriots secret weapon of winning Madden Video Games, why the hell did we not do that before ROFL
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted March 7, 2010 Posted March 7, 2010 Why oh why do people think that Maybin can play OLB in a 3-4. He has shown nothing but ability to jump onto a pile
Rob's House Posted March 8, 2010 Posted March 8, 2010 So, we have replaced Kelsay with Maybin. Otherwise, it's the same personnel on defense. Something tells me the results will be similar. (and replacing Ellison with Johnson by moving Schobel to OLB isn't exactly a major upgrade either) The D wasn't that bad last year. Too loose against the run, but most of the big yards and pts came late in the game when they were worn out from having to continually hustle back onto the field after repeated 3 and outs by the anemic offense.
timbuk3 Posted March 8, 2010 Posted March 8, 2010 OK this is gonna be a challenge but I will give it a shot to see what y'all think. With the help of Madden 2010 this is the D that I tried a few times. I changed some ratings up or down based on what they did last year. For example, Wilson Williams and Florence was upped and players like Whitner, Maybin, downed. Set on Spectate mode. LE Stroud NT Williams RE Schobel ( if he retires oh well thanks dude) LOLB Ellison LILB Poz RILB Mitchell ROLB Maybin LCB Mc Kelvin RCB Florence Nickle McGee SS Wilson FS Byrd Played a few games with Kelsey at LOLB dont think that is gonna work way to slow in coverage. Think Wilson is good enough to start over Scott. Think McGee is better suited as a nickle back Ellison makes more plays than you would think. If Schobel retires put in Kelsey at LE and Stroud at RE. Maybin played better at OLB. Was able to get more pressure with Marcus at DE. Teams still were able to run the ball at Mitchell's side. Interesting to many blitz packages you can run. Overall based on this D we can get more pressure on the QB but still we give up yards on the ground. Whatta mess!!
vincec Posted March 8, 2010 Posted March 8, 2010 The D wasn't that bad last year. Too loose against the run, but most of the big yards and pts came late in the game when they were worn out from having to continually hustle back onto the field after repeated 3 and outs by the anemic offense. ... and from being unable to get off the field on 3rd down.
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