ICE Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Which do you have more loyalty to? And I don't want to hear the company line 'they are all Bills'. that is crap. to me I am a little more loyal to a guy that was drafted and spends more time here vs a guy that came for more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Which do you have more loyalty to? And I don't want to hear the company line 'they are all Bills'. that is crap. to me I am a little more loyal to a guy that was drafted and spends more time here vs a guy that came for more money. 133746[/snapback] I agree I like seeing a guy drafted and becoming a player. Thats why I get so pissy when I hear trade Moulds stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 i am more loyal to the undrafted free agent. the guy that chose to come here out of college rather than being forced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 I agree I like seeing a guy drafted and becoming a player. Thats why I get so pissy when I hear trade Moulds stuff. 133748[/snapback] Two things on Moulds... 1) isn't worth his 8 mill cap number. 2) May want out. both make it hard to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Go back to bed, ICE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 i am more loyal to the undrafted free agent. the guy that chose to come here out of college rather than being forced. 133752[/snapback] I also have a ton of respect and I root for guys like that. Keion Carpenter, Jabari Greer, Rashad Baker. Seems like there's alway one UDFA I find myself rooting for in training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Two things on Moulds... 1) isn't worth his 8 mill cap number. 2) May want out. both make it hard to keep him. 133753[/snapback] It MAY make it hard.....If EM wants out fine....If EM wants to stay He'll make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 It MAY make it hard.....If EM wants out fine....If EM wants to stay He'll make it happen. 133758[/snapback] If he wants to stay that 8 mill cap number needs to be cut by 2mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Who cares if he wants to leave! I root for the Buffalo Bills, not the Eric Moulds team. If he wants to stay, that's great. He's got a good thing going here, so it would be nice if he stays. If not, bye bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 i am more loyal to the undrafted free agent. the guy that chose to come here out of college rather than being forced. 133752[/snapback] forced? Christ I wish someone would 'Force' me to make no less than 300K per year to workout and play a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 If he wants to stay that 8 mill cap number needs to be cut by 2mill. 133761[/snapback] And Moulds has always been such a malcontent that Im sure he'd never agree to do such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 Who cares if he wants to leave! I root for the Buffalo Bills, not the Eric Moulds team. If he wants to stay, that's great. He's got a good thing going here, so it would be nice if he stays. If not, bye bye! 133762[/snapback] I somewhat agree. but you root for your own body right? Well you don't root for the sickness or illness in it do you? that would kill what you love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I also feel more loyalty to a drafted player who was always (and if he is good and we get lucky) was and will be a Bill. However, the experience of every SB winner since Dallas drafted Aikman and every SB appearer since TN with McNair is that you build a team (particularly at QB) around some method other than drafting a QB in the 1st round. I think the NE example of 2 SB wins sandwiched around the cap acceleration hit of trading Bledsoe is that one can find a QB capable of leading you to the SB with a late round draft pick or in trade for a reject like Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer. QBs like Kurt Warner were found at Wal-mart. The primary challenge with JP is that there is not good (in fact quite bad if appearing in the SB is your goal) in terms of building a winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I don't think ICE was referring to undrafted FA's. I'm not a big fan of today's NFL. Free agency combined with a salary cap pretty much assures that there will be massive roster turnover every year. Hard to be loyal to your team when there's no player loyality. Regarding your question ... much more loyal to a player who starts his career with the Bills and demonstrates a desire to stay here through thick and thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 I also feel more loyalty to a drafted player who was always (and if he is good and we get lucky) was and will be a Bill. However, the experience of every SB winner since Dallas drafted Aikman and every SB appearer since TN with McNair is that you build a team (particularly at QB) around some method other than drafting a QB in the 1st round. I think the NE example of 2 SB wins sandwiched around the cap acceleration hit of trading Bledsoe is that one can find a QB capable of leading you to the SB with a late round draft pick or in trade for a reject like Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer. QBs like Kurt Warner were found at Wal-mart. The primary challenge with JP is that there is not good (in fact quite bad if appearing in the SB is your goal) in terms of building a winning team. 133766[/snapback] Man don't tell that to all the guys like Aikman and Kelly that went to 7 superbowls between them after being taken in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsue Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Aikman was a Heisman trophy winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 Aikman was a Heisman trophy winner. 133779[/snapback] Kelly wasn't and went to 1 more than Aikman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Aikman was a Heisman trophy winner. 133779[/snapback] No he was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Troy Aikman never won the Hypeman, I mean, Heisman. That's probably why he did win 3 Super Bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsue Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I thought he did. But, he must have been a contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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