metzelaars_lives Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Hey Darth Ice, how ridiculous does drafting Dez Bryant look right now? Dude, everyone's got him 3rd or 4th on their overall draft board, he looks like a combination of Andre Johnson and TO in his prime, he's got Randy Moss written all over him in the sense that he's gonna fall ia little bit due to off-field issues. This past week, Darth, you said that LB was a greater need than WR? Not that there's any future hall-of-famers amongst them, but we now have Poz, Mitchell, Schobel, Maybin, Ellis, Kelsay, Harris and Ellison. Best player available. It's more than likely gonna be Bryant. I'm now officially all about it.
KD in CA Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 A prima dona WR at #9 who is learning how to act from Deion Sanders while we still have no tackles and no QB would be just wonderful.
DarthICE Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Hey Darth Ice, how ridiculous does drafting Dez Bryant look right now? Dude, everyone's got him 3rd or 4th on their overall draft board, he looks like a combination of Andre Johnson and TO in his prime, he's got Randy Moss written all over him in the sense that he's gonna fall ia little bit due to off-field issues. This past week, Darth, you said that LB was a greater need than WR? Not that there's any future hall-of-famers amongst them, but we now have Poz, Mitchell, Schobel, Maybin, Ellis, Kelsay, Harris and Ellison. Best player available. It's more than likely gonna be Bryant. I'm now officially all about it. No. We need to address QB and the lines before WR. We are not going to take Bryant at #9 you can forget about that. Now if it were the morons Donahoe, or Levy or Brandon...you would have a point and he would be the pick due to their pure stupidity. But this is Buddy Nix and Company, no way they take a WR with NO QB to throw them the ball, no NT to start our 3-4 defense and no LT.
YardRat Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 If the top 8 spots are taken by 3 OT's, 2 DT's, 2 QB's, 1 LB it would be very hard to pass on Bryant.
Acantha Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 If the top 8 spots are taken by 3 OT's, 2 DT's, 2 QB's, 1 LB it would be very hard to pass on Bryant. If that actually happened, there would almost certainly be some great trade-down opportunities with teams salivating over Berry and Haden.
Phlegm Alley Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 If that actually happened, there would almost certainly be some great trade-down opportunities with teams salivating over Berry and Haden. Or we could stay put and draft Derrick Morgan, whom Gailey recruited.
Acantha Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Or we could stay put and draft Derrick Morgan, whom Gailey recruited. Not sure Morgan fits the system, but even if he does, IMO if we miss out on the top OT's and QB's, trading down and getting more picks is the best move for the team.
DarthICE Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Sorry Madden Buffs, Nix isn't stupid enough to take a WR when we have greater needs
Thoner7 Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 IMO, WR is the least important position in football. A good QB with an OL that can block and a solid TE. WRs and RBs can be plugged in. Teams are not built around WRs - not SB winning teams anyways.
Wilson from Gamehendge Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 No. We need to address QB and the lines before WR. We are not going to take Bryant at #9 you can forget about that. Now if it were the morons Donahoe, or Levy or Brandon...you would have a point and he would be the pick due to their pure stupidity. But this is Buddy Nix and Company, no way they take a WR with NO QB to throw them the ball, no NT to start our 3-4 defense and no LT. DEMARYIUS THOMAS IN THE 2nd or 3rd!!! I bet he ends up being better than Bryant. (and Gailey knows him!)
Philo Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 DEMARYIUS THOMAS IN THE 2nd or 3rd!!! I bet he ends up being better than Bryant. (and Gailey knows him!) I don't know but I wouldn't be too surprised if Gailey did pull the trigger on this guy if he had the opportunity since of the connection. As long as he isn't passing up on a player who we could use a lot more
metzelaars_lives Posted March 1, 2010 Author Posted March 1, 2010 Sorry Madden Buffs, Nix isn't stupid enough to take a WR when we have greater needs Not many. How come everybody has suddenly abandoned the "best player available" theory? What if the Ravens were like, "yeah this Ray Lewis guy looks pretty good, but linebacker isn't our greatest need?" If Dez Bryant looks like a complete beast, a franchise-changing guy, you gotta take him.
Pete Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 I am ok with Dez Bryant in the first, especially if there is a run on OL before us
Dr. Fong Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 I don't necessarily like the idea of taking a WR with the first pick, but Dez Bryant has great talent and with Owens being shown the door I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a Bills uniform.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 IMO, WR is the least important position in football. A good QB with an OL that can block and a solid TE. WRs and RBs can be plugged in. Teams are not built around WRs - not SB winning teams anyways. You have a point. Miami made the playoffs two years ago with zero at wide receiver. The Baltimore Ravens are a playoff team with very little at the position. Both teams are held back by their lack of downfield weapons but both teams have made the playoffs, too. Not many. How come everybody has suddenly abandoned the "best player available" theory? What if the Ravens were like, "yeah this Ray Lewis guy looks pretty good, but linebacker isn't our greatest need?" If Dez Bryant looks like a complete beast, a franchise-changing guy, you gotta take him. If there was a worst-case scenario watching the dominos fall towards our pick at #9, then hopefully there is a trade-down option. If not, and all our targeted players are taken, we might be forced to take a player like Bryant. This ALMOST happened to us last year with Michael Crabtree...who by the way, looks like he's going to be a very exceptional player. Yeah we'd hate to pick a non-need player but if all the guys Nix and company have targeted at that pick are gone...and there's no trade-down option...you have to take the best football player available. The Bills still drafted Jim Kelly even though Joe Ferguson still looked like a solid starter at the time. Can you imagine if we'd passed up on Kelly because we thought we were set at quarterback?
Philo Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 Not many. How come everybody has suddenly abandoned the "best player available" theory? What if the Ravens were like, "yeah this Ray Lewis guy looks pretty good, but linebacker isn't our greatest need?" If Dez Bryant looks like a complete beast, a franchise-changing guy, you gotta take him. I don't think that WRs can be franchise changing guys without a competent QB to throw to them. I'm not knocking Bryant, just the idea of the Bills investing a 1st rounder on him given their current situation. And yes, I know that Reed and Owens won't be back but we have greater needs to address with our #1, like the offensive line for one.
Thurman#1 Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 Hey Darth Ice, how ridiculous does drafting Dez Bryant look right now? Dude, everyone's got him 3rd or 4th on their overall draft board, he looks like a combination of Andre Johnson and TO in his prime, he's got Randy Moss written all over him in the sense that he's gonna fall ia little bit due to off-field issues. This past week, Darth, you said that LB was a greater need than WR? Not that there's any future hall-of-famers amongst them, but we now have Poz, Mitchell, Schobel, Maybin, Ellis, Kelsay, Harris and Ellison. Best player available. It's more than likely gonna be Bryant. I'm now officially all about it. WR is about our 5th or 6th priority. Bryant is a talent, but he's not 3rd or 4th, he's 7th to 12th on most draft boards. And even if he were 3rd or 4th on most boards, no thanks.
Thurman#1 Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 If the top 8 spots are taken by 3 OT's, 2 DT's, 2 QB's, 1 LB it would be very hard to pass on Bryant. Yup, this is the exception. If the guys we like at more needed positions are gone, it might become a good idea.
Thurman#1 Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 Or we could stay put and draft Derrick Morgan, whom Gailey recruited. He's unlikely for us now, he's too small to be a 3 - 4 DE and not small enough to be the pass-rushing OLB in this scheme. In the 4 - 3, he's a great prospect, but in the 3 - 4, he's a tweener who might not fit. I wanted Morgan when we were in a 4 - 3, especially if Schobel retired, but now I don't see it.
Thurman#1 Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 I don't think that WRs can be franchise changing guys without a competent QB to throw to them. I'm not knocking Bryant, just the idea of the Bills investing a 1st rounder on him given their current situation. And yes, I know that Reed and Owens won't be back but we have greater needs to address with our #1, like the offensive line for one. Though I'm not for taking Bryant, I have to agree with MetzelaarsLives on this one point. Who cares if we have the QB to throw to him? You don't draft Bryant for 2010, you draft him for a long and hopefully illustrious career. Hell, first-year WRs rarely do anything anyway. You have to figure that sooner or later there will be a QB to throw to him, so if he looks like the best pick, you don't change up because of the no-QB factor. You draft recievers (and everyone else) for the long run, especially when you're rebuilding. Which is why drafting a QB though the team is without an LT is NOT a mistake. The reason for not drafting Bryant would be the priorities argument, because WR is not a high priority on this team.
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