Let the Boondoggle Games Begin!

[ExiledInIllinois]

That's !@#$ing hilarious!

 

What I thought too. The more and more stuff comes out about this fish, the more and more crazed Michigan (w/their flunkies) and the enviro loonies look. Sure the eDNA science looks promising, just imagine if they find zero fish above the barrier. I wouldn't put it past people that some have been transporting dead fish and scattering them everywhere on the water just to eff with the academicians out there hell bent on how well this eDNA stuff works. Especially that guy (David Lodge) from Notre Dame. Funding runs out for the eDNA program in 6-2010... He knows where the money train is!

 

Look what the director of marine operations for Wendella Sightseeing Co. has to say

 

Then there's the experimental test called Environmental DNA testing. A "positive" test result only means that a sample of a fish scale, feces, urine, secretion or fish remains was possibly identified. This test has never been independently verified or approved, nor has it ever been used anywhere other than in the Chicago area. Funding for the test, supported by the State of Michigan, runs out in June 2010. And scientists don't know if these fish can even survive in the cold, deep waters of the Great Lakes.

 

I know I talk about this stuff a lot and some laugh about the how I played the race card and stereotype... But it is all there... It is very comical what a bunch of douches Canadians and Americas are.

 

Fly Fishing for Carp

 

Lake St Clair is mostly famous for fly fishing for smallmouth bass, pike, and musky. However, fly fishing for carp on the sand flats is drawing lots of attention as well. Lake St Clair, which is located near Detroit Michigan, between Lake Huron and Lake Erie, is an excellent place to experience this up and coming fishery. In the last few years fly fishing for carp has become the fastest growing craze amongst fly fisherman in America. Many anglers now look at this stereotyped ?garbage? fish in a new, and positive, sporting way. In Europe the carp has been prized as a game fish for hundreds of years.

 

My point is that so many are caught up in the mass hyesteria that the treehuggers are spreading.

 

Heck... What other fish can you hunt with a compound bow/fishing reel OR a fly rod?

 

Illinois should just leave a trail of beer cans down from Michigan and get all the Ted Nugent's of the world to come follow that trail carp fishing!

[DC Tom]

Then there's the experimental test called Environmental DNA testing. A "positive" test result only means that a sample of a fish scale, feces, urine, secretion or fish remains was possibly identified.

 

Last I heard fish scales, excreta, secretions, and remains can pass freely through a lock system, even if the fish can't. If you're testing for fish piss, you're not confirming the presence of the fish, you're only confirming the presensce of the fish's piss.

 

Yeah, that test'll work really well.

[Chef Jim]

Last I heard fish scales, excreta, secretions, and remains can pass freely through a lock system, even if the fish can't. If you're testing for fish piss, you're not confirming the presence of the fish, you're only confirming the presensce of the fish's piss.

 

Yeah, that test'll work really well.

 

Where the hell did you get that picture of my uncle Joe for your Avatar?

[ExiledInIllinois]

Last I heard fish scales, excreta, secretions, and remains can pass freely through a lock system, even if the fish can't. If you're testing for fish piss, you're not confirming the presence of the fish, you're only confirming the presensce of the fish's piss.

 

Yeah, that test'll work really well.

 

 

That too! And this past summer I have noticed dead silver carp that jump on to the barges below Peoria... They can jump 6 or so feet. They transport these DEAD fish above the barrier. They should make it regulation to sweep the decks of the barges before they get through the barrier!

[ExiledInIllinois]

Why spend 20k a year when the scientists can have 78 million?:

 

Mayor of Spring Valley, IL (Ground Zero for Asian Carp) Speaks Out

[DC Tom]

Why spend 20k a year when the scientists can have 78 million?:

 

Mayor of Spring Valley, IL (Ground Zero for Asian Carp) Speaks Out

 

$78 million federal dollars to prevent asian carp from getting in to the Great Lakes? I guarantee you, they're going to waste have that money, and use the other half to "study" the problem before deciding they need another round of funding. They'd have better results sewing $78M into a great big net to catch the fish.

[ExiledInIllinois]

$78 million federal dollars to prevent asian carp from getting in to the Great Lakes? I guarantee you, they're going to waste have that money, and use the other half to "study" the problem before deciding they need another round of funding. They'd have better results sewing $78M into a great big net to catch the fish.

 

I hear you. All of this stuff is just too comical. The AG from MI (Mike Cox) will make a name for himself out of all this crazy hysteria... Just watch and see...

 

He is a republican running for governor in MI.

[Nanker]

I hear you. All of this stuff is just too comical. The AG from MI (Mike Cox) will make a name for himself out of all this crazy hysteria... Just watch and see...

 

He is a republican running for governor in MI.

That's nothing. Did you see what Andrew Cuomo just did to David Paterson in NY?

NY Times leaded a sleazy rumor about a scandal that would force the Gov. to resign.

Turns out - they had nuttin' and had to backtrack completely.

Andrew's been running for gubenor since his dad - Hamlet on the Hudson got turned out of office by Pataki.

[ExiledInIllinois]

What do people think about this BS statement that the enviors are pushing:

 

“The Great Lakes are priceless,” Marks said. “We lose the Great Lakes to the Asian carp, you’re not going to get them back.”

 

I think it is BS because we are not going to lose the GL's to the Asian carp. Even if they become a problem, the problem can be solved.

 

Lake Erie was declared dead (because of much worse problem) at one time... We got that back.

 

Weren't the Great Lakes a "sterile" environment to begin with. When the glaciers started to melt, there was "clean" slate. We are never trully going to get that "clean" slate back. We already lost the GL's since day one of human intervention.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Here is an interesting read, this is for you Chef!:

 

 

Carp Lemonade

 

"...Fortunately, bighead and silver carp have a redeeming value: Their meat is absolutely delicious. I have eaten them pan-fried, deep-fried, grilled, baked, steamed, smoked, in curries, in soup and even pickled. They are delicious when prepared in any of those ways..."

 

 

"...Don't believe all carp taste the same. There is no comparison between the firm, white, flaky meat of bighead and silver carp and the darker, strong-tasting meat of common carp. Silver carp also happen to be a better source of Omega-3 fatty acids (the "good chloresterol") than salmon.

 

The only drawback to eating bighead and silver carp is that they have lots of intramuscular bones. All carp have these Y-shaped bones. They remain in the fillet in two rows, one above and one below the lateral line. A carp fillet also contains a strip of red meat along the lateral line. This should be removed, much like the "blood strip" of a striped bass or white bass.

 

By the time you clean a bighead or silver carp, the remaining fillets will only be about 20 to 25 percent of the weight of the fish you caught. However, because these fish are so large and plentiful, you can still put a large amount of high-quality meat in the boat. For example, 150 pounds of silver carp jumped into my boat one day. After cleaning, I had 30 pounds of great meat.

 

Scoring the fillets of some "bony" fish chops up the bones. If you then fry them in very hot oil, the bones dissolve to the point that you don't notice them. Scoring, however, does not work with Asian carp larger than about 2 1/2 pounds because the bones will be too large.

 

The fish we catch on the Missouri River average between 12 and 15 pounds. The Y-bones on a 15-pound Asian carp can be up to 4 inches long. These are much too large for scoring, but they are large enough that you can easily remove them from the cooked flesh. Take care to not cut through the bones when cleaning the fish because that will simply make the big bones into lots of little bones that are annoying or even dangerous..."

"...Repeat above with the other side of the fish. Once you become proficient, it takes about 20 minutes to completely de-bone an Asian carp. That may seem like a lot of work,but if you can generate 3 pounds of bluegill fillets in a similar time, you are faster with a fillet knife than Zorro is with his sword..."

[keepthefaith]

Here is an interesting read, this is for you Chef!:

 

 

Carp Lemonade

 

"...Fortunately, bighead and silver carp have a redeeming value: Their meat is absolutely delicious. I have eaten them pan-fried, deep-fried, grilled, baked, steamed, smoked, in curries, in soup and even pickled. They are delicious when prepared in any of those ways..."

 

 

"...Don't believe all carp taste the same. There is no comparison between the firm, white, flaky meat of bighead and silver carp and the darker, strong-tasting meat of common carp. Silver carp also happen to be a better source of Omega-3 fatty acids (the "good chloresterol") than salmon.

 

The only drawback to eating bighead and silver carp is that they have lots of intramuscular bones. All carp have these Y-shaped bones. They remain in the fillet in two rows, one above and one below the lateral line. A carp fillet also contains a strip of red meat along the lateral line. This should be removed, much like the "blood strip" of a striped bass or white bass.

 

By the time you clean a bighead or silver carp, the remaining fillets will only be about 20 to 25 percent of the weight of the fish you caught. However, because these fish are so large and plentiful, you can still put a large amount of high-quality meat in the boat. For example, 150 pounds of silver carp jumped into my boat one day. After cleaning, I had 30 pounds of great meat.

 

Scoring the fillets of some "bony" fish chops up the bones. If you then fry them in very hot oil, the bones dissolve to the point that you don't notice them. Scoring, however, does not work with Asian carp larger than about 2 1/2 pounds because the bones will be too large.

 

The fish we catch on the Missouri River average between 12 and 15 pounds. The Y-bones on a 15-pound Asian carp can be up to 4 inches long. These are much too large for scoring, but they are large enough that you can easily remove them from the cooked flesh. Take care to not cut through the bones when cleaning the fish because that will simply make the big bones into lots of little bones that are annoying or even dangerous..."

"...Repeat above with the other side of the fish. Once you become proficient, it takes about 20 minutes to completely de-bone an Asian carp. That may seem like a lot of work,but if you can generate 3 pounds of bluegill fillets in a similar time, you are faster with a fillet knife than Zorro is with his sword..."

 

 

Sounds like going to the grocery store and buying cans of tuna fish is more cost effective.

[Keukasmallies]

Am I the only one that noticed the line about the dead carp jumping into the boat....?

[DC Tom]

Am I the only one that noticed the line about the dead carp jumping into the boat....?

 

They're not dead, they're just pinin'...wonderful fish, asian carp. Lovely plumage.

[Jim in Anchorage]

Well that explains why Obama isn't doing anything to help.

 

 

 

Than what's the big deal? You start a new thread about this every 3d day minute.

More accurate.

[Jim in Anchorage]

Actually... They should just get rid of the coho salmon they brought in during the 1960's to control the alewives and switch to perch, steelhead, walleye, and here on the river: river sturgeon... There would be no carp problem at all.

I somehow doubt you could tell the difference between a steelhead and a coho even if they showed you their birth certificates.

[DC Tom]

I somehow doubt you could tell the difference between a steelhead and a coho even if they showed you their birth certificates.

 

Shows what you know. Fish don't have birth certificates. !@#$in' moron.

[Jim in Anchorage]

Shows what you know. Fish don't have birth certificates. !@#$in' moron.

Then how would they get passports?

[ExiledInIllinois]

Am I the only one that noticed the line about the dead carp jumping into the boat....?

 

What do you mean...?

 

What better way to catch them... Just go out in a boat and let them jump in!

[ExiledInIllinois]

I somehow doubt you could tell the difference between a steelhead and a coho even if they showed you their birth certificates.

 

By getting "rid of"... I mean: stop stocking. Coho is also an invasive species to the lakes... Of course on purpose that is. What did you honestly think I meant?

 

Doesn't matter if they are similar. Stop stocking them. Sure they are close... Sure one can tell. They should go heavy on the trout and cease with all coho.

 

The two fish, yes similar, are very different. Steelhead/rainbow can spawn more than once... Coho, only spawns once. The young trout feed on a lot more things than young salmon... Including young Asian carp.

 

My point was that they are stocking the lake with the wrong fish. Coho has no place in the lakes and like I said, only has been introduced to the lake's ecosystem since the 1960's.

 

Also, the trout live much longer than the coho.

 

Coho = to fragile to keep in balance.

[DC Tom]

Then how would they get passports?

 

You got me there...