Bill from NYC Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 There is enough O-line talent currently on the roster w/ Bell, Meredith, Scott. They just need to stay healthy and hopefully our new strength and conditioning coaches can help remedy the problems there. I think the Bills should go McClain with first pick, best run stopping DT in second, and if he is still there Lefevour. I think so too. As a matter of fact the Bills probably need to install new phone lines to field all of the calls from opposing GMs who want to give us first round draft choices for the 3 gems you mention.
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 The 49ers' D-line was sweet when they drafted Patrick Willis. OUCH! Game... Set... Match
DarthICE Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 OUCH! Game... Set... Match Again, Willis has got them into the playoffs how many times? Yeah that is what I thought.
7THSIGN Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 Then Trade down if Bradford isn't there. Look Kirwin is on the radio because he sucked as the Jets GM. Gil Brandt through is the 'Godfather'. If he says they aren't up to par, you can put some serious stock in it. You most certainly do if he is youre top rated player,our line backers are at least as weak as our d-line,and drafting for need aint the way out of this mess.
7THSIGN Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 You most certainly do if he is youre top rated player,our line backers are at least as weak as our d-line,and drafting for need aint the way out of this mess. In the first three rounds that is
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 Again, Willis has got them into the playoffs how many times? Yeah that is what I thought. I'm feelin ya ICE MAN... I'm feelin ya. In fact, I'm with on Bradford. If we're going QB with our first rounder it has to be Bradford. That being said, if Suh slips at all, we MUST make ever effort to get this guy. I keep hearing now that some like McCoy better... and perhaps Clausen/Bradford go early... and a team may take Okung if they're in need of LT. If that kind of scenario plays out and Suh is sitting there in that 4-6 range, I say GO GET HIM... do whatever it takes. He is the best player in this draft and absolutely changes games.
bills in va Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 There is enough O-line talent currently on the roster w/ Bell, Meredith, Scott. They just need to stay healthy and hopefully our new strength and conditioning coaches can help remedy the problems there. I think the Bills should go McClain with first pick, best run stopping DT in second, and if he is still there Lefevour. Are you serious? Our talent at LT sucks! Bell is in way over his head, he is at most a backup or practice squad. If you're advocating to go into this season without a significant upgrade in talent at LT then you my friend are ignorant to the game. We need to draft a LT in either round 1 or 2 and maybe agin in later rounds. Butler is not guarenteed for next year coming off another knee injury. Our OL killed this team last year and I for one do not want to repeat our mistakes.
7THSIGN Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 !@#$ taking a friggin LB. The guy is an ILB not an OLB pass rushing specialist. And even if he were you do NOT take a LB when your DL isn't fixed. this is the quote i meant to reply to in my first post If McClain is there at 9 and i am Buddy Nix he is a bill,that is how i see it at this point.
Steely Dan Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 So take a RT Levitre can play LT along with Bell. My next QB is a Left hander anyway. Actually Jason Peters was a much better RT than he has been a LT the same thing can be said about him. Iaputi is the best OL in this class and i would take him number one. Yes I would trade down if I could. The knock on Levitre is that his arms aren't long enough to be an effective tackle. All of the stuff I read pre-draft last year said he will only be a guard in the NFL. Anyone believing that Levitre can be the full time starter at LT doesn't follow football closely. It's almost as pointless as saying Langston Walker is capable of handling the position. A LT must be stout enough to handle bull rushes from rush LB's who get a running start, and nimble enough to move laterally to handle speed rushers. I don't care how much an OT weighs, trying to stop a 250+ rush LB with a running start requires a lot of strength and "sand in the pants." OLT's handle the opponents best pass rusher, ROLB or RDE. The best ones are left alone on an island, but most aren't elite. Still, when you've got a lock down OLT, it makes things easier for the entire offense. And when you've got a bad one (as Buffalo did all last season) the OL and by default the entire offense suffers mightily. Fans can debate the Peters trade, but here we are debating about taking a LT and spending a valuable resource on a rookie. Replacing departed veterans year after year via the draft is why this team remains mediocre and doesn't compete for anything. If the Bills can draft a guy that right now will be a RT with the hopes of being a LT next year it would allow Butler to move back inside and whoever wins the battle between Butler, Levitre and Wood will leave the Bills with good depth at that position. If Bell can deal with his injury problem he has a chance to be a solid LT. JMO
Fan in Chicago Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 The knock on Levitre is that his arms aren't long enough to be an effective tackle. All of the stuff I read pre-draft last year said he will only be a guard in the NFL. If the Bills can draft a guy that right now will be a RT with the hopes of being a LT next year it would allow Butler to move back inside and whoever wins the battle between Butler, Levitre and Wood will leave the Bills with good depth at that position. If Bell can deal with his injury problem he has a chance to be a solid LT. JMO It seems like there is always this hopeful outlook before the season, regarding the OL. I was skeptical last year and even more so this year. First of all, I am not sure how he will come back from injury and even if he comes back 100%, there is no way to know how good a LT he will be. I, for one, am not willing to risk yet another season on hopes and prayers. Drafting or acquiring two tackles is a minimum for this off season.
BillnutinHouston Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 In addition Pat Kirwin kind of dismissed both qbs as fran kaliber. OK, I give up. What is "fran kaliber"?
MRW Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 OK, I give up. What is "fran kaliber"? Fran Kaliber, drafted #1 overall in 1971 by the Rams. Never played a down in the NFL. Wiki link
Armchair GM Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 Then let's draft a left-handed QB. PTR Problem solved!
Meark Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 Yeah and the addition of willis has got them to the playoffs how many times? So one guy gets you to the playoffs? The 49er's have a worse QB situation than we do.
Armchair GM Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 Is Oher an LT? Um, ... no. Only because Gaither was there and is a proven contributer at LT. Why take a chance on a rookie, regardles of his "Ohership!?" He will be starting at LT for Baltimore this year.
Bill from NYC Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 He said he thought both A davis and Buluga are Right tackles in the Nfl. He also bashed Campbell , bascially saying he ws no were worthy of a high draft pick. I will never know a fraction of what Brandt has already forgot, but I suspected this about Bulaga and posted as much. The question becomes, is a RT worth a #9 contract? Not an easy one to answer imo. Mike Williams was a dumb pick. He was a fat RT who was able to maul players in college. In the pros, players were by him at times before he was able to get out of his stance. He was also frail and lazy to boot. But, he was drafted under the premise that he protected a left handed qb in college, and would be able to make the transition to the left side. Bulaga is already on the left side but if he is projected to the right, I would only take him at #9 if I thought he was going to be Eric Williams or Bob Brown good. Ok...that is a stretch, but a great RT can do wonders for a running game. I would have to think that he would be a superb RT to use the ninth pick on a RT. I am thinking that if the top QBs, DTs, and McClain are gone, trading down might be a good move. Then again if these guys are gone, who is going to want to trade down with us? If the Bills didn't have so many needs, I would be about getting a first round pick in 2011 in a trade. You know why? Because this draft is starting not to look so great.
Hazed and Amuzed Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 !@#$ taking a friggin LB. The guy is an ILB not an OLB pass rushing specialist. And even if he were you do NOT take a LB when your DL isn't fixed. McClain is quite possibly the next top MLB in the NFL, how could anyone want to pass that up? I understand that QB and LT are huge needs for this team but drafting for need over talent is EXACTLY what got us into the mess we are in. We've passed on guys like Ngata in the past simply because we needed a SS more then a DT at the time, it's a pretty dumb way to run a draft don't you think? I don't think Nix is a dumb guy so I'm not expecting this trend to continue. If the next Patrick Willis or Ray Lewis is on the board at 9 you take him, especially if we'll be looking at the 2nd or 3rd best LT on the board in comparison. If Okung is there at 9 then I say it's a toss up but anyone else would be a travesty to choose over McClain.
Trader Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Anyone believing that Levitre can be the full time starter at LT doesn't follow football closely. It's almost as pointless as saying Langston Walker is capable of handling the position. A LT must be stout enough to handle bull rushes from rush LB's who get a running start, and nimble enough to move laterally to handle speed rushers. I don't care how much an OT weighs, trying to stop a 250+ rush LB with a running start requires a lot of strength and "sand in the pants." OLT's handle the opponents best pass rusher, ROLB or RDE. The best ones are left alone on an island, but most aren't elite. Still, when you've got a lock down OLT, it makes things easier for the entire offense. And when you've got a bad one (as Buffalo did all last season) the OL and by default the entire offense suffers mightily. Fans can debate the Peters trade, but here we are debating about taking a LT and spending a valuable resource on a rookie. Replacing departed veterans year after year via the draft is why this team remains mediocre and doesn't compete for anything. Except my QB is a lefty.
turftoe Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Then let's draft a left-handed QB. PTR tee tee?
Astrobot Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 It will be interesting to see how high Dan williams rises He's falling to the Vikes at #30 if you believe Bucky Brooks.
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