BeastMode54 Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/ins...tory?id=4907951 An NFL scout recently told me, "Even after all these years, we don't have a Moneyball formula for success. But we are getting closer." Until then, the NFL draft will remain about as unscientific as any sports endeavor. As long as scouts and GMs have to scramble to evaluate roughly 1,000 college football players at four different levels, every now and then a Pierre Garçon (Mount Union, sixth-round pick) is going to have more catches in one season than a Mike Williams (USC, first round) will have in a career. So what's that scout talking about? Well, just because there's no secret to guaranteeing a sweet draft doesn't mean there aren't some must-follow tendencies that can help avoid disasters. As we head to the scouting combine, which starts on Feb. 24, then on to draft day, here are some mistakes the know-it-all suits shouldn't make. (But most assuredly will.) 1. They will ignore the big four. At the top of the draft, four crucial positions -- QB, offensive tackle, cornerback and pass- rusher -- should trump all others. It's a supply- and-demand thing. As the league's emphasis on passing puts those positions at an ever-greater premium, the elite talent pool at those spots remains basically the same. Notice wide receivers aren't included on this A-list. You can get them anytime. Two of this season's top five wideouts -- Miles Austin and Wes Welker -- weren't even drafted. On the other hand, all five of 2009's leaders in QB ratings were among the first 33 picks. Catchers depend on passers, not the other way around. Look at this season's Super Bowl teams. At the big-four positions, the Saints and Colts combined to produce five Pro Bowlers. The average draft position of those guys was 44; two were first-rounders, two others early second-rounders. The teams generated nine more Pro Bowlers from the other positions. Those guys were drafted, on average, with the 80th pick, not including Colts center Jeff Saturday, who was undrafted. The Chargers (five of their past six first-rounders played one of the big-four positions) get it. The Lions (four wideouts and a linebacker in the top 10 between 2003 and 2007) don't. So while All-America safety Eric Berry is tempting, the St. Louis Rams shouldn't think twice about snatching a defensive tackle, Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy, at No. 1. A combo of Suh and, say, LSU safety Chad Jones (a likely second-round pick) will win more games than Berry and, say, second-round DT Dan Williams will. Marc Serota/Getty ImagesIs it wise to take a defensive tackle like Gerald McCoy with your number one pick? 2. They will be seduced by looks. Scouts, GMs, even esteemed members of the media get too wrapped up in 40 times and 225-pound bench press reps. In many cases -- see: Smith, Akili; Jones, Matt; Gholston, Vernon -- superhuman physical gifts make usually rational minds race with possibilities. It's why you'll hear about Tim Tebow playing H-back soon. Too often, scouts think a freakish body automatically translates into freakish success. It doesn't. I've heard the buzz as it happens. Did you see that?! The furor overwhelms reasonable analysis. Mistakes and shortcomings that pop up on film or the police blotter fade into the background. Coaches are especially optimistic about being able to turn raw athletic ability into refined production. They think they can take special athletes and coach 'em to become special football players. Good luck with that. Meanwhile, guys like Clay Matthews and Austin Collie slide down the draft board, then make an immediate impact. The same arc will be followed this year by Texas WR Jordan Shipley and Penn State DT Jared Odrick. Neither will be a combine terror. They'll be happy to make their noise in the NFL. 3. They will pay no mind to minds. As one scout told me recently, "You can't win with dumb players in the NFL anymore." This Jeff George-inspired rule isn't so much about human intelligence as football intelligence, not book-smart guys but playbook-smart guys. And yet book-smart evaluators still pay too much attention to academic All-America teams and the Wonderlic test. A 4.0 GPA or 40 on the Wonderlic doesn't necessarily mean a player will be able to read a screen or outfox a defender. Savvy GMs know the least-seen part of a player's combine performance, the personal interview, is the most important gauge. To be fair, more front office people are watching film with players and giving them pop quizzes to see what they've got between their earholes. The importance of mental agility is starting to sink in. Rey Maualuga had first-round athleticism but slid to the second because teams saw the blunders he made in diagnosing plays and how he relied too much on raw ability to compensate. Maualuga had a solid rookie season for the Bengals (63 tackles), but it is now clear why he was the third USC LB drafted in 2009. Here's a good test for this season's GMs. Watch where South Florida DE Jason Pierre-Paul goes in comparison to Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan. Pierre-Paul is a physical freak, and a team may get flak for passing him by to get to Morgan. But what that team will know is that Morgan is far more versatile and game aware than his counterpart, who hasn't shown much more than pure pass-rushing ability. "You can't win with dumb players in the NFL anymore." 4. They will choose need over value. Everyone who has a say in a team's draft starts with the idea that the biggest holes need to be filled first. It's a fair philosophy in a football utopia. But in the real world, hole-filling can't be the only -- or primary -- factor in determining which guy to take. Look at what the Vikings did in the 2007 draft. After scoring only 17.6 ppg, they needed help on the offensive line, a replacement for QB Brad Johnson and a serious upgrade over No. 1 receiver Travis Taylor. The only solid spot in the offense, in fact, was running back, where 27-year-old Chester Taylor had gained 1,504 yards from scrimmage. But necessity didn't force Minnesota to reach for Brady Quinn or Ted Ginn Jr. at No. 7. Instead, they went with the best value on the board, some kid named Peterson. Think they wish they'd gone a different way? The Colts are the NFL's best at balancing value and need. In the past four drafts (despite picking after the big-four positions have been poached), they've gone 4-for-4 with top choices: RB Joseph Addai, WR Anthony Gonzalez, OG Mike Pollak and RB Donald Brown. None was a sexy choice. All offered bang for the buck at the spot they were chosen. If team president Bill Polian also filled team needs, well, that was a nifty bonus. More to his point, a perennial contender restocked its shelf with starting-caliber players. The Bills sit on the opposite side of this balancing act. They've consistently targeted need over value and failed miserably. From 2006 to 2008, the Bills reached for DT John McCargo, RB Marshawn Lynch and CB Leodis McKelvin. Not one of them was a starter by the end of this past season. That's a drafting disaster. Buffalo fans had best hope their team has learned its lesson as it debates whether to reach for QB Jimmy Clausen at No. 9. It's a position of need, for sure, but, personally, I see him as the No. 28 prospect in the draft. Buffalo would be better off taking a top offensive tackle, Oklahoma's Trent Williams or Rutgers' Anthony Davis. A QB like Colt McCoy or Tony Pike will be waiting for them later. And if all else fails, they can try to trade with the Raiders.
Bill from NYC Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 He left Whitner off the list, but that was a freat read and all true. Thanks.
Thoner7 Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 I agree with everything you said, but I dont believe CBs are anywhere near as important as your post said they were. In todays NFL CBS cannot even breathe on a WR before being flagged. I believe its more about who is rushing the passer helping out the CB than the other way around - the rules simply do not allow CB to cover anymore. the great corners used to cover a WR very tight, but not thats illegal. Its much more the front 7 is much more important that the D Backfield, as proven by our Bills.
Dawgg Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 The Bills sit on the opposite side of this balancing act. They've consistently targeted need over value and failed miserably. From 2006 to 2008, the Bills reached for DT John McCargo, RB Marshawn Lynch and CB Leodis McKelvin. Not one of them was a starter by the end of this past season. That's a drafting disaster. Buffalo fans had best hope their team has learned its lesson as it debates whether to reach for QB Jimmy Clausen at No. 9. It's a position of need, for sure, but, personally, I see him as the No. 28 prospect in the draft. Buffalo would be better off taking a top offensive tackle, Oklahoma's Trent Williams or Rutgers' Anthony Davis. A QB like Colt McCoy or Tony Pike will be waiting for them later. And if all else fails, they can try to trade with the Raiders. Those who understand football have been pointing this out for years. On the other end of the spectrum, folks like C. Biscuit loved the McCargo pick.
Preston Ridlehuber Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 Only problem with his analysis is that while Lynch and McKelvin haven't yet worked out (I still think McKelvin will), neither one of them were reaches and it could be argued that neither one of them were drafted as need picks at the time either. It obviously would have worked out better if they took Revis ahead of Lynch and Clady instead of McKelvin but if I can use 20/20, I would change those 5 or 6 times they passed on Tom Brady in 2000.
BillsFanLevy Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 Change your post title, he is correct and did not criticize he stated facts. The past five drafts have been completely destroyed and that is a fact, so if the truth hurts that stinks but it's still the truth.
DarthICE Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 Those who understand football have been pointing this out for years.On the other end of the spectrum, folks like C. Biscuit loved the McCargo pick. the only real flaw in his article is we need a QB. You can't win in this league without a stud QB. These 'game managers' don't get it done any longer. If you don't have a cat at the QB position that scares teams and has the other teams respect, you won't win ****.
Dawgg Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 the only real flaw in his article is we need a QB. You can't win in this league without a stud QB. These 'game managers' don't get it done any longer. If you don't have a cat at the QB position that scares teams and has the other teams respect, you won't win ****. No doubt about it but you take value every day of the week and twice on Sunday. If the QB of the future is there and they are confident that he's the guy, sure take him. But you don't take a QB for the sake of taking a QB. Claussen will get murdered behind this O-Line. There is not only weakness at the tackle position, there's absolutely no depth. Good tackles don't become free agents. We have to spend premium draft picks on the tackle position. If they take some tackles, build up the line, and find a QB in next year's draft it would make far more sense than reaching on a QB now.
BeastMode54 Posted February 15, 2010 Author Posted February 15, 2010 Change your post title, he is correct and did not criticize he stated facts. The past five drafts have been completely destroyed and that is a fact, so if the truth hurts that stinks but it's still the truth. I agree it's the truth, but it's a criticism nonetheless. Doesn't bother me one bit though
Nanker Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 He left Whitner off the list, but that was a freat read and all true. Thanks. And Error Maybe too.
Tsaikotic Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 sorry, not trying to be the plagiarism police but don 't forget to add the link to the article b4 the Mods see it...you're not supposed to post articles on TBD w/o links..its plagiarism and could get TBD in trouble...just trying to let you know b4 you get yelled at..lol
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 The Bills sit on the opposite side of this balancing act. They've consistently targeted need over value and failed miserably. From 2006 to 2008, the Bills reached for DT John McCargo, RB Marshawn Lynch and CB Leodis McKelvin. Not one of them was a starter by the end of this past season. That's a drafting disaster. Buffalo fans had best hope their team has learned its lesson as it debates whether to reach for QB Jimmy Clausen at No. 9. It's a position of need, for sure, but, personally, I see him as the No. 28 prospect in the draft. Buffalo would be better off taking a top offensive tackle, Oklahoma's Trent Williams or Rutgers' Anthony Davis. A QB like Colt McCoy or Tony Pike will be waiting for them later. The Levy drafts were pretty bad as far as value goes, although they did have SOME success late. Brad Butler and Kyle Williams at 5th round picks is pretty good value. The 2009 draft other than Maybin looks real good value-wise. I think the 7th Rd pick of Lankster is an excellent pick and they didn't even use him to his ability (should have been returning kicks). McKelvin got hurt so that's a bit unfair. Buffalo always seems to over compensate early in the draft for bad/lack-of free-agent moves. I hope Buddy Nix is true to his word that potential draft picks with incomplete histories, and that are one-year wonders aren't picked. Draft players that will SUCCEED in your system (see Colts and Patriots) regardless of position and eventually you will win.
lets_go_bills Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 That was a good article. I'm surprised that such an insightful article came from the desk of Todd McShay.
Fewell733 Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 The Bills sit on the opposite side of this balancing act. They've consistently targeted need over value and failed miserably. From 2006 to 2008, the Bills reached for DT John McCargo, RB Marshawn Lynch and CB Leodis McKelvin. Not one of them was a starter by the end of this past season. That's a drafting disaster. Buffalo fans had best hope their team has learned its lesson as it debates whether to reach for QB Jimmy Clausen at No. 9. It's a position of need, for sure, but, personally, I see him as the No. 28 prospect in the draft. Buffalo would be better off taking a top offensive tackle, Oklahoma's Trent Williams or Rutgers' Anthony Davis. A QB like Colt McCoy or Tony Pike will be waiting for them later. And if all else fails, they can try to trade with the Raiders. gotta call bs on McKelvin and even Lynch. Neither were considered reaches at the time.
BeastMode54 Posted February 15, 2010 Author Posted February 15, 2010 sorry, not trying to be the plagiarism police but don 't forget to add the link to the article b4 the Mods see it...you're not supposed to post articles on TBD w/o links..its plagiarism and could get TBD in trouble...just trying to let you know b4 you get yelled at..lol Thanks! Fixed...
Mr. WEO Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 The Bills sit on the opposite side of this balancing act. They've consistently targeted need over value and failed miserably. Offensive tackle and quarterback are chief among the Bills' needs, and they should draft a tackle if Davis, Okung or Bulaga is available. This scenario has them selecting the top quarterback prospect in the 2010 class, though. Bradford is a bit of a project because of his slight frame and the spread system he played in at Oklahoma, but he has the football intelligence and accuracy to be molded into a good starter in the NFL Thanks, Mr. McShay.
dave mcbride Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 No doubt about it but you take value every day of the week and twice on Sunday. If the QB of the future is there and they are confident that he's the guy, sure take him. But you don't take a QB for the sake of taking a QB. Claussen will get murdered behind this O-Line. There is not only weakness at the tackle position, there's absolutely no depth. Good tackles don't become free agents. We have to spend premium draft picks on the tackle position. If they take some tackles, build up the line, and find a QB in next year's draft it would make far more sense than reaching on a QB now. I disagree to an extent in that with regard to an elite QB, you're not just drafting for this year, but for five-six years down the road. I don't know if Claussen is a legit top ten pick - opinions vary - but if he is, you take him. He's not going to do much this upcoming year anyway. If they truly feel he's not legit, then grab a guy who is on the offensive or defensive lines. Overall, the story was good, but he's wrong about McKelvin. McKelvin was starting before he got hurt, he wasn't really a need (they had Greer and McGee), and was by all accounts the top CB in the draft (one of McShay's big four positions). So in pretty much every respect, he's off the mark w/regard to McKelvin. The Bills can be criticized for a lot, but not for that.
bobobonators Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 I know McShay probably loved tearing into the Bills, but his point about McKelvin is misleading. He makes it seem as if Leodis wasn't the starter b/c of performance when he was really just injured. Before the injury McKelvin was emerging as an explosive ST player and his defense was definitely solid. I expect McKelvin to have a great year this year.
BillsVet Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 the only real flaw in his article is we need a QB. You can't win in this league without a stud QB. These 'game managers' don't get it done any longer. If you don't have a cat at the QB position that scares teams and has the other teams respect, you won't win ****. Even Chan Nix said it during the opening PC: Your QB isn't making plays when he's on his back. And on this team, the QB was sacked 46 times in 2009. Sure some of those were holding onto the ball, but the majority were probably bad pass blocking. I disagree to an extent in that with regard to an elite QB, you're not just drafting for this year, but for five-six years down the road. I don't know if Claussen is a legit top ten pick - opinions vary - but if he is, you take him. He's not going to do much this upcoming year anyway. If they truly feel he's not legit, then grab a guy who is on the offensive or defensive lines. Poor drafting from 2004-2008 is what has set this team into the mediocre product they are. Some of that is on TD, but Dick Levy added to it with 3 bad drafts from 06-08. If McKelvin, (EDIT: Posluszny), Butler, and Williams, are all the starters you've got out of 3 drafts, it's not good enough to win the ultra competitive AFC East. It's a weak year for QB's, but perhaps strong for OT's. At this early juncture, take the best OT and then build the front 7 on defense.
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