Jerry Jabber Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Schobel says he wants to play closer to home, plus he has the 2nd highest salary on the team and is getting older. He did have a rebound season, but can he keep it up and how will the transition to the 3-4 affect his game? I'd say try and make a trade with Houston or Dallas, that way he can be close to home. Since we're transitioning to a new defense and basically are rebuilding this team, I'd rather go with a younger, faster guy that will be around longer than Schobel. (Just my opinion) Evans has not been able to put up consistent numbers since he's been here. One week, he'll have over 100 yards receiving, then followed by 2, 3 or 4 games where he's lucky to put up 40 to 50 yards. You don't pay a guy $9+ million a year to be a #2 receiver. Granted, we haven't had solid play at QB, but Evans is a short, speedy WR, once the speed is gone, they're not that useful (look at Peerless Price). Plus, in bad weather/snowy games, the snow takes away the speed, so you should go with a big physical WR. I'd like to see the Bills trade Evans for Brandon Marshall, Marshall is not happy in Denver and would be a upgrade over Evans. As a matter of fact, they should trade or cut loose Parrish as well. We have James Hardy & Stevie Johnson on the team, and we haven't been able to get a good look at those guys, so if the Bills decided to turn the page on Reed & Parrish, I would have no problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 That is the way to improve the team, trade the best offensive and defensive players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300yrds Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 what i really like about this idea is that we are making more holes in team that has too many other important positional needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 UGH! Evans has not had a decent Qb since Bledsoe. He made one of the greates catches still and no one gives him credit for it against the Jets, where he literally stole an interception from i believe it was Revis on a badly underthrown ball by Losman, then ran it for a TD. He has not had a chance to amke plays with are atrocious QB play When Evans gets a QB, we will see how talented he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Schobel says he wants to play closer to home, plus he has the 2nd highest salary on the team and is getting older. He did have a rebound season, but can he keep it up and how will the transition to the 3-4 affect his game? I'd say try and make a trade with Houston or Dallas, that way he can be close to home. Since we're transitioning to a new defense and basically are rebuilding this team, I'd rather go with a younger, faster guy that will be around longer than Schobel. (Just my opinion) Evans has not been able to put up consistent numbers since he's been here. One week, he'll have over 100 yards receiving, then followed by 2, 3 or 4 games where he's lucky to put up 40 to 50 yards. You don't pay a guy $9+ million a year to be a #2 receiver. Granted, we haven't had solid play at QB, but Evans is a short, speedy WR, once the speed is gone, they're not that useful (look at Peerless Price). Plus, in bad weather/snowy games, the snow takes away the speed, so you should go with a big physical WR. I'd like to see the Bills trade Evans for Brandon Marshall, Marshall is not happy in Denver and would be a upgrade over Evans. As a matter of fact, they should trade or cut loose Parrish as well. We have James Hardy & Stevie Johnson on the team, and we haven't been able to get a good look at those guys, so if the Bills decided to turn the page on Reed & Parrish, I would have no problem with that. evans stays Schobel might not fit so get what you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickie do-right Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Schobel says he wants to play closer to home, plus he has the 2nd highest salary on the team and is getting older. He did have a rebound season, but can he keep it up and how will the transition to the 3-4 affect his game? I'd say try and make a trade with Houston or Dallas, that way he can be close to home. Since we're transitioning to a new defense and basically are rebuilding this team, I'd rather go with a younger, faster guy that will be around longer than Schobel. (Just my opinion) Evans has not been able to put up consistent numbers since he's been here. One week, he'll have over 100 yards receiving, then followed by 2, 3 or 4 games where he's lucky to put up 40 to 50 yards. You don't pay a guy $9+ million a year to be a #2 receiver. Granted, we haven't had solid play at QB, but Evans is a short, speedy WR, once the speed is gone, they're not that useful (look at Peerless Price). Plus, in bad weather/snowy games, the snow takes away the speed, so you should go with a big physical WR. I'd like to see the Bills trade Evans for Brandon Marshall, Marshall is not happy in Denver and would be a upgrade over Evans. As a matter of fact, they should trade or cut loose Parrish as well. We have James Hardy & Stevie Johnson on the team, and we haven't been able to get a good look at those guys, so if the Bills decided to turn the page on Reed & Parrish, I would have no problem with that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sounds like you missed your school bus this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 Here's Evans stats 2009: 44 Rec, 612 yds, 7 TDs 2008: 63 Rec, 1017 yds, 3 TDs 2007: 55 Rec, 849 yds, 5 TDs 2006: 82 Rec, 1292 yds, 8 TDs 2005: 48 Rec, 743 yds, 7 TDs 2004: 48 Rec, 843 yds, 9 TDs I'm sorry, but you don't pay someone $9+ million a year for 44 Receptions and 612 yards. I would much rather have Brandon Marshall anyday over Lee Evans. IMO, the only coach who knew how to properly use Evans was Mularkey. Mularkey had Evans lined up all over the field to get him open. I'm not saying Evans is a bad player, but he's definitely not worth the money he's getting. I'd rather see the Bills go with a bigger, more physical WR in Marshall than Evans. Yes, our QB's have sucked, but Orton is no better and look at the numbers Marshall had with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I'm sorry but you can't throw the ball to yourself it takes a quarterback. As sad as this statement is it's true. Orton is a legend compared to Edwards and Fitzpatrick and Losman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 Schobel says he wants to play closer to home, plus he has the 2nd highest salary on the team and is getting older. He did have a rebound season, but can he keep it up and how will the transition to the 3-4 affect his game? I'd say try and make a trade with Houston or Dallas, that way he can be close to home. Since we're transitioning to a new defense and basically are rebuilding this team, I'd rather go with a younger, faster guy that will be around longer than Schobel. (Just my opinion) Evans has not been able to put up consistent numbers since he's been here. One week, he'll have over 100 yards receiving, then followed by 2, 3 or 4 games where he's lucky to put up 40 to 50 yards. You don't pay a guy $9+ million a year to be a #2 receiver. Granted, we haven't had solid play at QB, but Evans is a short, speedy WR, once the speed is gone, they're not that useful (look at Peerless Price). Plus, in bad weather/snowy games, the snow takes away the speed, so you should go with a big physical WR. I'd like to see the Bills trade Evans for Brandon Marshall, Marshall is not happy in Denver and would be a upgrade over Evans. As a matter of fact, they should trade or cut loose Parrish as well. We have James Hardy & Stevie Johnson on the team, and we haven't been able to get a good look at those guys, so if the Bills decided to turn the page on Reed & Parrish, I would have no problem with that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sounds like you missed your school bus this morning I bet you think we should keep the current Tampa 2 defense as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 We need to keep Evans but I could see us trading Schobel to Houston. His old DL coach is there. New England got a first rounder for Richard Seymour, who is around 30 yrs old. Maybe we could fetch a 2nd rounder. I'm not sure he fits real well with a 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fl_bill Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 what i really like about this idea is that we are making more holes in team that has too many other important positional needs Given the OP's scenario, how are we making more holes? We would be trading Evans for Marshall, hole filled, and trading or releasing Schoebel. Trade we get a pick or a player to fill that void, release and it frees up money to sign somebody. I fail to understand how that creates holes. Evans and Schoebel are both decent players. IMO they can be replaced though. Schoebel is on the downside of his career and besides Evan's one good year, hasn't done much. As much as a QB can make a receiver I think that goes the other way around also. Also something to consider, why was JP the only one to develop that "chemistry" with LE? Maybe I am overlooking something here, but TE never really clicked good with him or Owens, went to his RB's a lot. Fitzy appeared to gel well with TO. Just kinda makes me wonder. I know you guys are going to say that TE was a check down machine and all, but he had the same offense as Fitz, but still chose to go to his RB. There are a lot of reasons that could be said for TE's timidness of going down field, but if you have that connection with your receivers, then your going to take the chance, something TE never did. Neither did Fitz with LE. Just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Schobel says he wants to play closer to home, plus he has the 2nd highest salary on the team and is getting older. He did have a rebound season, but can he keep it up and how will the transition to the 3-4 affect his game? I'd say try and make a trade with Houston or Dallas, that way he can be close to home. Since we're transitioning to a new defense and basically are rebuilding this team, I'd rather go with a younger, faster guy that will be around longer than Schobel. (Just my opinion) Evans has not been able to put up consistent numbers since he's been here. One week, he'll have over 100 yards receiving, then followed by 2, 3 or 4 games where he's lucky to put up 40 to 50 yards. You don't pay a guy $9+ million a year to be a #2 receiver. Granted, we haven't had solid play at QB, but Evans is a short, speedy WR, once the speed is gone, they're not that useful (look at Peerless Price). Plus, in bad weather/snowy games, the snow takes away the speed, so you should go with a big physical WR. I'd like to see the Bills trade Evans for Brandon Marshall, Marshall is not happy in Denver and would be a upgrade over Evans. As a matter of fact, they should trade or cut loose Parrish as well. We have James Hardy & Stevie Johnson on the team, and we haven't been able to get a good look at those guys, so if the Bills decided to turn the page on Reed & Parrish, I would have no problem with that. Dallas and Houston both run a 3-4 so he will have to transition regardless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Here's Evans stats 2009: 44 Rec, 612 yds, 7 TDs 2008: 63 Rec, 1017 yds, 3 TDs 2007: 55 Rec, 849 yds, 5 TDs 2006: 82 Rec, 1292 yds, 8 TDs 2005: 48 Rec, 743 yds, 7 TDs 2004: 48 Rec, 843 yds, 9 TDs I'm sorry, but you don't pay someone $9+ million a year for 44 Receptions and 612 yards. I would much rather have Brandon Marshall anyday over Lee Evans. IMO, the only coach who knew how to properly use Evans was Mularkey. Mularkey had Evans lined up all over the field to get him open. I'm not saying Evans is a bad player, but he's definitely not worth the money he's getting. I'd rather see the Bills go with a bigger, more physical WR in Marshall than Evans. Yes, our QB's have sucked, but Orton is no better and look at the numbers Marshall had with him. actually Orton is better, I agree with the rest of your statement but Orton is much better than what weve had... and thats not saying much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewHampshireBillsFan Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Here's Evans stats 2009: 44 Rec, 612 yds, 7 TDs 2008: 63 Rec, 1017 yds, 3 TDs 2007: 55 Rec, 849 yds, 5 TDs 2006: 82 Rec, 1292 yds, 8 TDs 2005: 48 Rec, 743 yds, 7 TDs 2004: 48 Rec, 843 yds, 9 TDs I'm sorry, but you don't pay someone $9+ million a year for 44 Receptions and 612 yards. I would much rather have Brandon Marshall anyday over Lee Evans. IMO, the only coach who knew how to properly use Evans was Mularkey. Mularkey had Evans lined up all over the field to get him open. I'm not saying Evans is a bad player, but he's definitely not worth the money he's getting. I'd rather see the Bills go with a bigger, more physical WR in Marshall than Evans. Yes, our QB's have sucked, but Orton is no better and look at the numbers Marshall had with him. Based on your analysis, exactly why would another team want this $9 million dollar aging receiver? Many teams struggle to stay within the salary cap and this wouldn't help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 Based on your analysis, exactly why would another team want this $9 million dollar aging receiver? Many teams struggle to stay within the salary cap and this wouldn't help them. If we can trade Marshall for Evans, you wouldn't do it? Obviously, Marshall is not happy and Evans is regarded as a top WR in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawchukBills Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 what i really like about this idea is that we are making more holes in team that has too many other important positional needs What he said...I would be okay with trading Schobel is 1) he gives an ultimatum of trade me or I retire, or 2) you can get a high draft pick for him, other than those two scenarios I say keep him, who knows how well he will adapt to the 3-4 but he said it himself that he would be better suited for the 3-4 over the 4-3 Trading Evans??? WHY? If TO and Reed leaves, do you really want our #1-2 receivers to be Parrish opposite Jenkins/Hardy/Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Here's Evans stats 2009: 44 Rec, 612 yds, 7 TDs 2008: 63 Rec, 1017 yds, 3 TDs 2007: 55 Rec, 849 yds, 5 TDs 2006: 82 Rec, 1292 yds, 8 TDs 2005: 48 Rec, 743 yds, 7 TDs 2004: 48 Rec, 843 yds, 9 TDs I'm sorry, but you don't pay someone $9+ million a year for 44 Receptions and 612 yards. I would much rather have Brandon Marshall anyday over Lee Evans. IMO, the only coach who knew how to properly use Evans was Mularkey. Mularkey had Evans lined up all over the field to get him open. I'm not saying Evans is a bad player, but he's definitely not worth the money he's getting. I'd rather see the Bills go with a bigger, more physical WR in Marshall than Evans. Yes, our QB's have sucked, but Orton is no better and look at the numbers Marshall had with him. So, then why would anyone want to trade for someone with a $9+ million a year contact and average numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrid Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I believe Houston is set at DE, and word here in denver is that marshall stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 What he said...I would be okay with trading Schobel is 1) he gives an ultimatum of trade me or I retire, or 2) you can get a high draft pick for him, other than those two scenarios I say keep him, who knows how well he will adapt to the 3-4 but he said it himself that he would be better suited for the 3-4 over the 4-3 Trading Evans??? WHY? If TO and Reed leaves, do you really want our #1-2 receivers to be Parrish opposite Jenkins/Hardy/Johnson Wow, I guess people can't read? I said trade EVANS for MARSHALL How is trading Evans for Marshall leaving any holes? Here are the stats for Evans and Marshall: Evans stats 2009: 44 Rec, 612 yds, 7 TDs 2008: 63 Rec, 1017 yds, 3 TDs 2007: 55 Rec, 849 yds, 5 TDs 2006: 82 Rec, 1292 yds, 8 TDs 2005: 48 Rec, 743 yds, 7 TDs 2004: 48 Rec, 843 yds, 9 TDs Marshall's stats: 2009: 101 Rec, 1120 yds, 10 TDs 2008: 104 Rec, 1265 yds, 6 TDs 2007: 102 Rec, 1325 yds, 7 TDs 2006: 20 Rec, 309 yds, 2 TDs It's clear that Marshall can produce consistently. Even with the Broncos going from Cutler to Orton, Marshall's numbers didn't drop off much. I'd much rather have Marshall than Evans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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