Thoner7 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 It has been reported that teams that made the divisional round of the playoffs will be limited in the players they can sign. The liimitation is that they can only sign a FA if they loose a FA, ie a 1 for 1 secario - but I have a question. lets say that the Bills hypothetically were a teams to be limited. Does that mean they could lose FAs such as Ryan Denney and Ashton Youboty and replace them with Vince Wilvork and Karlso Dansby? Rules limit quantity, but what about quality? Dallas is a team to be limited, but every team looses some trash FA every season, can they then go out and sign some all pro to replace a 3rd stringer? Thats not really 1 for 1... I ask because if that were true, it would really kill the first few days of free agency. The best players would sit around and wait for Dallas or whoever to loose some scrub player to a team like the Bills only then to sign some huge deal with a team like Dallas. This will really force teams to offer huge deals to players ASAP and get them off the market before a Dallas can loose anyone. I doubt that bodes well for the Bills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 This might help. http://www.cincyjungle.com/2009/1/16/72576...ut-the-nfl-s-up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 . What is the Final Eight Plan? A. During the uncapped year, the eight clubs that make the divisional playoffs in the previous season have additional restrictions that limit their ability to sign Unrestricted Free Agents from other clubs. In general, the four clubs participating in the Championship Games are limited in the number of free agents that they may sign; the limit is determined by the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs. For the four clubs that lose in the Divisional playoffs, in addition to having the ability to sign free agents based on the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs, they may also sign players based on specific financial parameters.[/i] It seems that loosing Ryan Denney and signing Wilfork is allowed, yet the losing divisional round clubs could do the previous AND sign guys with $$$ restrictions. This is a huge negative for us I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 . What is the Final Eight Plan?A. During the uncapped year, the eight clubs that make the divisional playoffs in the previous season have additional restrictions that limit their ability to sign Unrestricted Free Agents from other clubs. In general, the four clubs participating in the Championship Games are limited in the number of free agents that they may sign; the limit is determined by the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs. For the four clubs that lose in the Divisional playoffs, in addition to having the ability to sign free agents based on the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs, they may also sign players based on specific financial parameters.[/i] It seems that loosing Ryan Denney and signing Wilfork is allowed, yet the losing divisional round clubs could do the previous AND sign guys with $$ restrictions. This is a huge negative for us I feel. the bigger negative for the Bills is Ralph's wallet in light of a lockout in 2011. with no minimum in 2010, look for the Bills payroll to max out at $75 mil- which means big contracts will be dumped and not replaced with any signficant free agents. why do you thing "teaching" was the biggest criteria used to select coaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 These things suck for the players; Guaranteed salary from 2010 and beyond is reallocated to capped years unless the entire 2009 salary is guaranteed. If I'm reading that right then that means something like this; (Double checking would be appreciated) Player A has three years at $1 million a year unamortized from his signing bonus. There is no CBA before the deadline and 2010 remains uncapped. When a new CBA is worked out, let's say for the 2011 season, player A's guaranteed salary from 2012 is added to the cap for 2011 and 2010. So in 2011 and 2012 player A counts $1.5 million against the cap. If a player has a contract that includes base salary guarantees then his salary is not moved into subsequent years but any incentives that can't be earned til the end of the year means the contract cannot be considered guaranteed for the year. So if player A has a base salary of $6 million this year in 2011 and 2012 $3 million is added to the teams cap number. So overall player A will add an extra $3.5 million a year to a clubs sal cap in 2011 and 2012. It looks like LTBE and ULTBE bonus' can no longer be pushed to the next year. There is no year-end netting of incentives in 2009. Not-likely-to-be-earned incentives are charged to team salary immediately when earned, and likely-to-be-earned incentives are deducted when they are no longer possible to earn. I'm going to assume that rule will also apply to the 2010 season. So there is going to be some large cap hits in 2011 from a lot of players. The 30% increase rule restricts salary increases from 2009 to 2010. For example: a player with a $500,000 Salary in 2009 would be limited to annual salary increases of $150,000 ($500,000 x 30%) beginning in 2010. If "salary" includes the final amortized money then it should look like this. Player B is just coming off his rookie contract where he made $1 million in combined base salary and the final amortized bonus money. He cannot sign a contract for over $1.3 million this year. If, as I suspect, the bonus has no bearing on the final year then we'll say that $500,000 was his salary in 2009. So he can't sign a contract for over $650,000. Bonus money probably doesn't count against that, and so all of it would need to be amortized after the 2010 season. This should negate any free spending by rich owners. Q. Are current player benefits affected in the uncapped year? A. We expect player benefits to decline in the uncapped year. The union agreed that in the uncapped year, clubs would be relieved of their obligation to fund numerous benefit programs. Examples include second career savings (401K), player annuity, severance pay, and tuition assistance. The total league-wide contributions to such plans in 2009, the last capped year, are expected to be in excess of $225 million, or more than $7 million per club. That's a lot of money for the union to lose. Since all of the benefit programs aren't listed it's hard to tell how much it will hurt the union overall but $225 million is a lot of money. During the uncapped year, the eight clubs that make the divisional playoffs in the previous season have additional restrictions that limit their ability to sign Unrestricted Free Agents from other clubs. In general, the four clubs participating in the Championship Games are limited in the number of free agents that they may sign; the limit is determined by the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs. For the four clubs that lose in the Divisional playoffs, in addition to having the ability to sign free agents based on the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs, they may also sign players based on specific financial parameters. What specific financial parameters means is really important to this whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Here's another explanation from Tim Graham. http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/index/_/count/31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Q. What is the Final Eight Plan? A. During the Final League Year, the eight clubs that make the Divisional Playoffs in the previous season have additional restrictions that limit their ability to sign unrestricted free agents from other clubs. In general, the four clubs participating in the championship games are limited in the number of free agents that they may sign; the limit is determined by the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs. They cannot sign any UFAs unless one of theirs is signed by another team. For the four clubs that lost in the Divisional Playoffs, in addition to having the ability to sign free agents based on the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs, they may also sign players based on specific financial parameters. Those four only will be permitted to sign one unrestricted free agent for $5.5 million (estimated) or more in year one of the contract, plus the number of their UFAs who sign with another team. They also can sign any unrestricted free agents for less than $3.7 (estimated) million in year one of the contract with limitations on the per year increases. In the case of all final eight teams, the first year salary of UFAs they sign to replace those lost cannot exceed the first year salary of the player lost with limitations on the per year increases. In your example, if the Bills were a final 8 team, Wilfork's first year salary would not be able to exceed Denney's first year salary. nfl.com Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 the bigger negative for the Bills is Ralph's wallet in light of a lockout in 2011. with no minimum in 2010, look for the Bills payroll to max out at $75 mil- which means big contracts will be dumped and not replaced with any signficant free agents. why do you thing "teaching" was the biggest criteria used to select coaches You're crazy if you think the Bills are going to be the only team cutting salary next year. Well, maybe not crazy but you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 You're crazy if you think the Bills are going to be the only team cutting salary next year. Well, maybe not crazy but you know what I mean. The Bills won't be the only team cutting salary, but they will be the front runners. they already have a staff in place designed to deal with cheap young players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 Q. What is the Final Eight Plan? A. During the Final League Year, the eight clubs that make the Divisional Playoffs in the previous season have additional restrictions that limit their ability to sign unrestricted free agents from other clubs. In general, the four clubs participating in the championship games are limited in the number of free agents that they may sign; the limit is determined by the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs. They cannot sign any UFAs unless one of theirs is signed by another team. For the four clubs that lost in the Divisional Playoffs, in addition to having the ability to sign free agents based on the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs, they may also sign players based on specific financial parameters. Those four only will be permitted to sign one unrestricted free agent for $5.5 million (estimated) or more in year one of the contract, plus the number of their UFAs who sign with another team. They also can sign any unrestricted free agents for less than $3.7 (estimated) million in year one of the contract with limitations on the per year increases. In the case of all final eight teams, the first year salary of UFAs they sign to replace those lost cannot exceed the first year salary of the player lost with limitations on the per year increases. In your example, if the Bills were a final 8 team, Wilfork's first year salary would not be able to exceed Denney's first year salary. nfl.com Link Thanks. thats the answer I was looking for. Good news for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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