spread offense for Buffalo

[Coach55]

#1 Beneficiary if we go to a spread offense - Fred Jackson. He is the absolute perfect back for a spread offense. He is great at reading holes fast and more importantly, he runs routes as has as good of hands as most receivers. He could go for 2000 rushing and receiving combined if they go to a spread. (Also, you could also kiss Mr Lynch and his dancing good bye as his style of running and his Robert Royal like hands are not very useful in this style of offense.)

[DarthICE]

You mean make decisions as he's getting planted into the turf because our O-line can't pass protect properly.

 

We see things differently, put TE behind a decent O-line/good coaching and Trent Edwards succeeds in my opinion.

 

There is no !@#$ing line on this planet that makes him better, he flat sucks. We keep Edwards and this franchise will continue to be **** for years.

 

Time to cut the friggin BS and get a real QB in here.

[DarthICE]

QUOTE (dog14787 @ Feb 5 2010, 01:47 PM) *

You mean make decisions as he's getting planted into the turf because our O-line can't pass protect properly.

 

We see things differently, put TE behind a decent O-line/good coaching and Trent Edwards succeeds in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

I changed my signature but it used to be a quote from Jim Kelly on Edwards. It was basically something to the same effect. When Edwards had his chances when the line held up he had no balls to get the job done and his accuracy was HORRIBLE. Some of it is on the line a lot of it is on Edwards.

 

Exactly, Edwards is a chicken ****. No line is going to help him find the balls to make the NFL throws. He is a flat out coward and won't throw into coverage. Not only that, I am sick of his limp wristed, push the ball throwing style that ends up short hopping on out routes. I am sick of seeing deep ball wobble.

[John from Riverside]

The spread offense helps create one on one match ups, reduces blitzing and decreases the amount of formations a defense will try to run. In this day and age it allows the QB the ability to see and read the field more efficiently.

 

Trent Edwards has one of the quickest releases in the NFL, in my opinion he would excel in a spread offense.

 

 

Pats in a spread offense http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pats-Eag...tadium_crop.jpg

 

Former Texas Coach Mike Leach/ mad scientist of football, incorporates his RB's and TE's into a spread offense in a way that is practically unstoppable when executed by the QB properly.

 

 

If Edwards is the QB do all the receivers run 5 yard patterns?

[DarthICE]

If Edwards is the QB do all the receivers run 5 yard patterns?

 

That or we line 4 guys up in the backfield so limp wrist can do nothing but checkdown routes. And those had better be wide open or he won't throw it to them.

[PDaDdy]

#1 Beneficiary if we go to a spread offense - Fred Jackson. He is the absolute perfect back for a spread offense. He is great at reading holes fast and more importantly, he runs routes as has as good of hands as most receivers. He could go for 2000 rushing and receiving combined if they go to a spread. (Also, you could also kiss Mr Lynch and his dancing good bye as his style of running and his Robert Royal like hands are not very useful in this style of offense.)

 

 

It never ceases to amaze me how it is apparently impossible to complement Fred Jackson without also taking a shot at Lynch. *sheesh*

 

Let's run everybody who has made a probowl out of town. Hell let's get rid of Morman too. Our special teams sucked this year! Lazy ass kicker who can't kick a simple ball and hit the spots.

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

K-Gun was almost never a spread. Spread puts 5 people out wide. No traditional TE on the line, no RB in the backfield. 5 blockers and the QB.

 

In K-Gun, Thurman/Kenny Davis were almost always in the backfield, and McKeller/Metzelaars were almost always in the traditional TE spot. K-Gun was usually a 3 WR set. Short yardage brought Carwell Gardner in for Beebe. It was VERY rare for Thurman to split out wide.

[Guest dog14787]

There is no !@#$ing line on this planet that makes him better, he flat sucks. We keep Edwards and this franchise will continue to be **** for years.

 

Time to cut the friggin BS and get a real QB in here.

 

 

http://www.buffalobills.com/media-lounge/v...cf-aefb3d076dba

 

 

BS?

 

I hear all this BS, TE cant do this, he can't do that, TE can't throw the ball over 5 yards. I mean sure this is KC, but my point being, don't tell me TE can't make all the throws or make big plays when I know he can.

[Red]

Basically - VERY basically - a 'spread offense' is an offensive package designed to make the defense defend the entire field; it could be thought of as a set of looks and play options designed to 'spread' the opponent's defense both horizontally and vertically, making them defend the entire field. In a spread offense the QB typically lines up in a shotgun formation, and either all offensive targets line up as receivers at the LOS, or one RB lines up in the backfield with 4 receivers at the LOS.

 

It's high-power, high-scoring offensive strategy typically used in college - Urban Meyer is one or the premier architects/disciples of 'the spread', and used it successfully with national championships with Chris Leak in 2006 and Tim Tebow in 2008. Mike Leach's Texas Tech teams ran a version of 'the spread' that some call the 'air raid' - almost exclusively pass-oriented - and led the NCAA in passing offense 6 of the past 8 seasons, placing 2nd the other two. At Florida, Meyer/Tebow used a package referred to as the 'spread option' where the QB can either pass, hand off to the RB, or run the ball himself, depending in his read.

 

(Most TSW experts will insist that 'the spread' will never work in the NFL, even though Urban Meyer's close friend Bill Belichick* has used a spread package with Tom Brady* & and the Patriettes* for years, with amazing success. Peyton Manning and the Colts frequently use a spread offense as well - just watch how many times Manning audibles this Sunday and puts all 5 targets at the LOS.)

 

Granted, both the Colts and Pats have used a similar package in the past. But there are 2 important points that I think you miss:

 

1.) Personnel- Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are a far cry from Edwards, Tebow, Vick, or whoever else we get as a QB in the immediate future. Not to mention the WR's needed to run it effectively.

 

and

 

2.) Neither of these teams runs a spread offense exclusively as its base package. Rather, they are situational-types of offenses, and IMO to run it as your sole identity on offense is severely limiting yourself like the run-and-shoot offenses of the late 80's and early 90's.

 

It would be a colossal mistake if this is true.

 

Especially since we don't play in a dome and are exposed to the swirling winds of Ralph Wilson Stadium 7 times per year.

 

We need a strong running game and dominating offensive line.

[PDaDdy]

K-Gun was almost never a spread. Spread puts 5 people out wide. No traditional TE on the line, no RB in the backfield. 5 blockers and the QB.

 

In K-Gun, Thurman/Kenny Davis were almost always in the backfield, and McKeller/Metzelaars were almost always in the traditional TE spot. K-Gun was usually a 3 WR set. Short yardage brought Carwell Gardner in for Beebe. It was VERY rare for Thurman to split out wide.

 

 

Answer me this. Is the spread offense determined by position title or by how it attacks the defense and the match ups and isolation it tries to take advantage of?

 

I could be wrong but I think there is some confusion between spreading out your pre snap formation and spreading out the defense by attacking at different levels from sideline to sideline.The Bills were able to do this in many ways including from 2 TE and or 2 RB sets. Our TE's were money and they could get down the field. Our RBs, a Ronnie Harmon dropped pass aside, were also damn good receivers.

 

I think the K-gun started out being basically anytime Kelly was in the shot gun. The "gun" portion if you will and initially when McKellar was in the game, the K portion.

[PDaDdy]

http://www.buffalobills.com/media-lounge/v...cf-aefb3d076dba

 

 

BS?

 

I hear all this BS, TE cant do this, he can't do that, TE can't throw the ball over 5 yards. I mean sure this is KC, but my point being, don't tell me TE can't make all the throws or make big plays when I know he can.

 

 

Dog, you seriously need to give it up man. If you are judging Trent's potential by one game then JP is the next Brett Farve. Seriously! He had ONE truly good game against a TRULY terrible team. That single game is basically his only example of any half way decent down field throwing. The "Trent Flame Carriers" cling to it desperately as proof that their guy really isn't as bad as almost EVERYONE else now believes.

[CarolinaBill]

I guess a spread, is not a spread, is not a spread. To me that short underneath quick passing game sounds like the West Coast offense. Doesn't it to you? Again, I'm not an expert so can you explain the difference between the quick decision, intermediate route, move the chains spread offense and the quick decision, intermediate route move the chains West Coast offense?

 

And I in NO WAY WHAT SO EVER advocate rolling the dice on every big arm QB that comes down the pike. I do however advocate not rolling the dice on every "he was good in college" noodle arm QB that comes down the pike in hopes that he can be the 1 - 20 to overcome his short comings in the arm department. HUGE difference there.

I've said before that the spread is a different variation on the west coast offense, but essentially very much the same.

 

In terms of college qb's, If this regime wants to be a spread/WC offense, then you should be targeting guys that 1: have experience in the system, and have proven they have the ability to run it. or 2: are able to learn it, Brohm didnt pick up the system in GB very well, but he ran a spread at louisville, so there must be a difference in language or complexity or something, but a guy like Claussen, or Lefevour would be great for these systems or even bradford. So would thigpin or even troy smith I think would be good in this style offense, the guys I don't want are guys like pennington, vick, Mccoy, Tebow for various reasons.

[Guest dog14787]

Dog, you seriously need to give it up man. If you are judging Trent's potential by one game then JP is the next Brett Farve. Seriously! He had ONE truly good game against a TRULY terrible team. That single game is basically his only example of any half way decent down field throwing. The "Trent Flame Carriers" cling to it desperately as proof that their guy really isn't as bad as almost EVERYONE else now believes.

 

 

I'm not judging TE's potential by one game, just showing that given time TE can make all the throws. The pocket the O-line gave the QB on the long ball to Lee Evans is what you should be seeing on a regular basis if you have a half decent O-line.

[tonyjustbcuz]

The spread offense helps create one on one match ups, reduces blitzing and decreases the amount of formations a defense will try to run. In this day and age it allows the QB the ability to see and read the field more efficiently.

 

Trent Edwards has one of the quickest releases in the NFL, in my opinion he would excel in a spread offense.

 

 

Pats in a spread offense http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pats-Eag...tadium_crop.jpg

 

Former Texas Coach Mike Leach/ mad scientist of football, incorporates his RB's and TE's into a spread offense in a way that is practically unstoppable when executed by the QB properly.

 

 

Enough already! Go let Trent Edwards excel in that same league that Lossman did as he can't sense when the defense is about to sack him. He often throws 5 yards short or too far of the receiver when nobody is even in his face. I've heard the announcers on occasion mention that he had a lot of time but just didn't see his wide open receiver down field! His best passes were to the other team for a touchdown! I hope he reads this so I can tell him to fly away butterfly! Besides, he is lousy in the inclement weather...snow, fog, rain, sleet, cold, etc...and I remember an atrocious couple of games against Cleveland, and one in particular against Philadelphia amongst others! They need to go outside of the organization for their starter FA QB..and have either Brohm or Fitz as a backup...and whichever one of those two don't survive can them too and draft a QB as well! I don't see Chan Gailey not drafting or picking up a FA QB as the new starter!! I'll would lay $$$ on it if I were a gambler!!!!

[manbeast]

I mean this really says it all. If you don't have a clue about the spread offense, please keep your mock to the privacy of your own closet and imaginary friends.

Why is it no one attacks the idiots who make stupid statements about the 3-4 and that I would say is 75% of the people on these boards the same people who don't know s##t about the cover 2 Leave em alone at least he doesn't profess to be an expert.

[manbeast]

I'm not judging TE's potential by one game, just showing that given time TE can make all the throws. The pocket the O-line gave the QB on the long ball to Lee Evans is what you should be seeing on a regular basis if you have a half decent O-line.

Except the ones that are 40-50 yards down field.

[manbeast]

#1 Beneficiary if we go to a spread offense - Fred Jackson. He is the absolute perfect back for a spread offense. He is great at reading holes fast and more importantly, he runs routes as has as good of hands as most receivers. He could go for 2000 rushing and receiving combined if they go to a spread. (Also, you could also kiss Mr Lynch and his dancing good bye as his style of running and his Robert Royal like hands are not very useful in this style of offense.)

In 2008 Marshawn Lynch had 47 receptions.

[manbeast]

Agreed the line is rubish, but don't use that excuse, Fitzpatrick had less sacks then TE did with more games played. TE is horrible at avoiding pressure.

Fitz is more mobile definitely

[Barack Obama]

OH GOD

What?

[Hazed and Amuzed]

No offense, but if you don't understand what the spread offense is, you probably should not be posting mock drafts...

Why? What are the guidelines to posting a mock, just so we know...