PDaDdy Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 It sounds like Stroud will be manning the nose, which is fine by me. I'd like to see Schobel traded as well. This should help guarantee us a terrible record next year, and a good chance at getting one of the top QBs in next year's draft. I don't anticipate either one in this year's draft falling to #9, so let's focus on getting a LT at #9, build up the line, develop our young receivers, and hopefully grab someone like Mallett or Locker with our top 5 pick next year. I'm not being sarcastic, either. Face it, folks: the absolute upside of this team is something like 8-8 next year. Better to understand that without a QB, there will be no quick fixes, and focus on building a good team for 2011 (or 2012, if the impending lockout cancels the 2011 season). Defense can be fixed quicker than offense, so our team's focus should be on acquiring and developing offensive players right now. Once we've got a QB and a line to protect him, then we can turn the primary focus back to the D (getting a nose tackle, etc.). QB is important. The problem is is that people seem to have lost their minds and have COMPLETELY forgotten that we have several VERY serviceable options for QB in RFA and UFA. Some of these options could instantly make us more dangerous on offense.
manbeast Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 With any luck from the football gods we get Mount Cody in the 2nd or dare I say it ....*gulp* move back into the first round to get him. I know I know. Don't move up to get players. I just don't buy into all of the he's fat and out of shape stuff. That guy is the next Will Wolfork or Shaun Rodgers. Big fat bastards that make RBs get in their belly. If not we have to go with better conditioned options like Cam Thomas or Dan Williams. They are who the "experts" say are the other top NTs. Ted Washington
PDaDdy Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Ted Washington Check and Mate. Another stellar example of a BFB. Coaches and owners complained and complained about his weight and all guys like that did were to produce at VERY high levels "Nice hit sumo boy!!!....now get this thing off of me!!!"
bkc Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Schobel may not fit, I wonder if he has trade value , he might welcome a move to a "winner" maybe the giants for a 3
R. Rich Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Poz is not your prototipical OLB in a 3-4 Ican't say he is too small because James Harrison is only 6' and 240. Judging by the style of play, he's best suited as a MLB in a 4-3. Maybe he can make the adjustment and be a solid inside LB in a 3-4, but I fear he's much like Jonathan Vilma, who is a very good 4-3 middle LB (All Pro for the Saints) who struggles in a 3-4 (his NY Jets days).
PDaDdy Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Schobel may not fit, I wonder if he has trade value , he might welcome a move to a "winner" maybe the giants for a 3 If Schobel retires he retires. He is however a fit for this defense especially since it is a hybrid. That means for a portion of the time he will be playing his good old DE position in a 4-3 look. He will only need to play 3-4 OLB part of the time. We have already seen Schobel drop back into coverage over the years. There are also 3-4 schemes I seem to recall employing a "pass rush specialist"....who does that sound like to you? Schobel should not retire or leave due to scheme. If he is just tired of the game...fine.
manbeast Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Schobel may not fit, I wonder if he has trade value , he might welcome a move to a "winner" maybe the giants for a 3 he still has alot left in the tank I would rather move him to LB than give him up for less than a high 2 and a 4, or a first
PDaDdy Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Judging by the style of play, he's best suited as a MLB in a 4-3. Maybe he can make the adjustment and be a solid inside LB in a 3-4, but I fear he's much like Jonathan Vilma, who is a very good 4-3 middle LB (All Pro for the Saints) who struggles in a 3-4 (his NY Jets days). With POZ I think it might be the other way around. As a MLB in a 3-4 he should have fewer pass coverage responsibilities I think and I believe also have a smaller area to cover. Too many times I thought Poz was in the wrong place or attacked the wrong hole because he had to sometimes drop back way deep as is the Tampa2 MLB responsibility or he was over pursuing a run play. I think keeping his mind focused straight ahead and in between the offensive tackles would be good for him. Just talkin' out my butt.
sullim4 Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Depends on what happens in FA. If we sign a free agent NT (Wilfork?), we'll draft OT or QB in the first round. If we don't, I think it's pretty much guaranteed that we'll draft a NT with our first. Obviously Maybin shifts to LB. I think Schobel makes the move to OLB as well.... so you've got Maybin/Poz/Mitchell/Schobel there. If Schobel retires/gets cut/etc, look for them to sign a lesser LB in FA and draft a LB in the 3rd or 4th round to back him up. Stroud and Williams stay as DEs. Goodbye Kelsay... EDIT: and this of course means Bryan Scott can return to S. Maybe that means goodbye Whitner?
Fixxxer Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Great....that means we have yet another coach who plans to make his favorite scheme fit the personnel rather than the other way around. Basically means K Williams is expendable as is Kelsay and probably Schobel who at 32 yrs old has to play a position he has never played before. Trading or obtaining a huge NT in FA would be imperative if we do make the switch. As stated before there is not another team in the NFL who is less prepared personnel wise to make the switch to a 3-4. People here seem to be obscessed with the 3-4 when we have nowhere near the personnel to run it. You could not pick a worse sceme for this personnel unless they have absoolutely defined their goals in terms of who they want in FA or will trade for. But when you do NOT have the most important part of the 3-4 on your roster that makes it VERY difficult. They may want V Wilfork but their is no guarantee. Maybe we could have Ron Edwards just like KC....how did that work out for them? “Defensively, we will start from a 3-4 alignment,” said Edwards. “But we will do what we feel is best for our players. We are not going to give anything away about exactly what we will do, but personnel will dictate what you can and what you can’t do. As far as the initial alignment, the 3-4 is what we will start off with and we will adjust from there.” http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-3...c4-74e731938c0e
nick in* england Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 With current personnel your 3-4 would look like this: LE: K Williams/Schobel NT: Stroud/McCargo RE: Sp. Johnson/Kelsay LOLB: Maybin/Ellis LILB: Mitchell/Draft RILB: Posluzny ROLB: Schobel/Kelsay RCB: McGee FS: Byrd SS: Wilson LCB: McKelvin
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 QB is important. The problem is is that people seem to have lost their minds and have COMPLETELY forgotten that we have several VERY serviceable options for QB in RFA and UFA. Some of these options could instantly make us more dangerous on offense. RFAs are going to cost the Bills draft picks, who are the servicable UFA options?
sabres...yawn Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 3-4? Good. Why keep hanging on to things that don't work. When you are sub- .500 and haven't made the playoffs in 10 years- IT ain't working. Change it all. Why not?
Coach Tuesday Posted February 4, 2010 Author Posted February 4, 2010 With current personnel your 3-4 would look like this: LE: K Williams/Schobel NT: Stroud/McCargo RE: Sp. Johnson/Kelsay LOLB: Maybin/Ellis LILB: Mitchell/Draft RILB: Posluzny ROLB: Schobel/Kelsay RCB: McGee FS: Byrd SS: Wilson LCB: McKelvin Florence starts over McFumble until he proves otherwise. Florence should've made the Pro Bowl.
Bring Back Kelly Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Our Defense is going to get run over. Plus Maybin is rendered useless on the end now. This could set us back, unless we get a big DT and another LB to fill the gap. I do like the switch to the 3-4, but we just don't have the guys in place to run it correctly to start. I would say the defense is behind the offense now. Thats not good.
sabres...yawn Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Our Defense is going to get run over. Plus Maybin is rendered useless on the end now. This could set us back, unless we get a big DT and another LB to fill the gap. I do like the switch to the 3-4, but we just don't have the guys in place to run it correctly to start. I would say the defense is behind the offense now. Thats not good. Set us back? From what? We are AT the back. Shake it up.
Trader Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Schobel will have to move to OLB, can he do it? No fing clue.HUGE hole at NT. Can Stroud and Williams play DE in 34? Who knows. We couldn't get 3 LB to be healthy and play good can we get 4? Bills D is a big ? imo now. This should push him into retirement mode or trade mode.
Hazed and Amuzed Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Anyone think that we may now be targeting Spikes in the late first or second? A trade down to the mid 20's could land him, then we can go after OT and NT in the second round and QB in the 3rd.
dgrid Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Anyone think that we may now be targeting Spikes in the late first or second? A trade down to the mid 20's could land him, then we can go after OT and NT in the second round and QB in the 3rd. It's probably him or McClain at #9. I read there's not too many MLB'ers other than those 2.
Hazed and Amuzed Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 It's probably him or McClain at #9. I read there's not too many MLB'ers other than those 2. Well I was just thinking since Edwards has coached Spikes his whole career at Florida that he may put in a good word, I'm sure they all ready have a good relationship.
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