Red Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 Question: With the CFL's Calgary offensive coordinator Cortez now being rumored to being close to signing with the Bills, and with his success in developing Flutie, Garcia, Brooks, and Boller, and with our current need for a true starting QB, does anyone see perhaps a slight chance of Jeff Garcia being signed for perhaps 2 years until we develop/draft "the future"? I've always loved Garcia, and minus his stint in Cleveland he has lit it up everywhere he has been. He would atleast be the same as McNabb, he would be better than Troy Smith, and he would- IMO- be a much better and bigger help than Vick. He's not being mentioned at all, but when he last played it does not appear that he has lost much (if any) all of these years. What does everyone think about Jeff Garcia as a short-term solution at QB?
xsoldier54 Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 Question: With the CFL's Calgary offensive coordinator Cortez now being rumored to being close to signing with the Bills, and with his success in developing Flutie, Garcia, Brooks, and Boller, and with our current need for a true starting QB, does anyone see perhaps a slight chance of Jeff Garcia being signed for perhaps 2 years until we develop/draft "the future"? I've always loved Garcia, and minus his stint in Cleveland he has lit it up everywhere he has been. He would atleast be the same as McNabb, he would be better than Troy Smith, and he would- IMO- be a much better and bigger help than Vick. He's not being mentioned at all, but when he last played it does not appear that he has lost much (if any) all of these years. What does everyone think about Jeff Garcia as a short-term solution at QB? I for one would not mind this at all. Garcia is a veteran with a proven track record. If he has enough left in his tank, he would be an improvement over both Edwards and Fitzpatrick. Brian Brohm is still intriguing to me. He seems to fit the Buddy Nix quote "If he did well in High School and he did well in college, he will probably do well in the pros." Brohm was a stud in High School and at Louisville he was one of the top QB's in the country. I watched him in college and never thought that Buffalo would have a shot at drafting him with all the other needs and with Edwards the supposed QB of the future. I think he certainly has a ways to go in developing into a pro QB, but he certainly has the ability. Should be fun to see what Cortez thinks of him.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 Question: With the CFL's Calgary offensive coordinator Cortez now being rumored to being close to signing with the Bills, and with his success in developing Flutie, Garcia, Brooks, and Boller, and with our current need for a true starting QB, does anyone see perhaps a slight chance of Jeff Garcia being signed for perhaps 2 years until we develop/draft "the future"? I've always loved Garcia, and minus his stint in Cleveland he has lit it up everywhere he has been. He would atleast be the same as McNabb, he would be better than Troy Smith, and he would- IMO- be a much better and bigger help than Vick. He's not being mentioned at all, but when he last played it does not appear that he has lost much (if any) all of these years. What does everyone think about Jeff Garcia as a short-term solution at QB? Garcia must be 40 years old by now, no? Is he even still in the league?
banjo moe Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 Question: With the CFL's Calgary offensive coordinator Cortez now being rumored to being close to signing with the Bills, and with his success in developing Flutie, Garcia, Brooks, and Boller, and with our current need for a true starting QB, does anyone see perhaps a slight chance of Jeff Garcia being signed for perhaps 2 years until we develop/draft "the future"? I've always loved Garcia, and minus his stint in Cleveland he has lit it up everywhere he has been. He would atleast be the same as McNabb, he would be better than Troy Smith, and he would- IMO- be a much better and bigger help than Vick. He's not being mentioned at all, but when he last played it does not appear that he has lost much (if any) all of these years. What does everyone think about Jeff Garcia as a short-term solution at QB? I'd rather sign Jerry Garcia
OldTimer1960 Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 ... Brian Brohm is still intriguing to me. He seems to fit the Buddy Nix quote "If he did well in High School and he did well in college, he will probably do well in the pros." Brohm was a stud in High School and at Louisville he was one of the top QB's in the country. I watched him in college and never thought that Buffalo would have a shot at drafting him with all the other needs and with Edwards the supposed QB of the future. I think he certainly has a ways to go in developing into a pro QB, but he certainly has the ability. Should be fun to see what Cortez thinks of him. That GB, who drafted Brohm in the 2nd round a couple years ago, had him on their practice squad is a giant clue that the Packers didn't think that Brohm had a future in the NFL. Now, teams do make mistakes in evaluating young players, but think how little they must have thought of him to put a recent 2nd round pick on the practice squad. Teams don't like to admit mistakes with high round picks, especially so soon after drafting him. Maybe Brohm got a raw deal in GB, I don't know, but I wouldn't pin my hopes on him. Sure, let him compete for the job, but he can't be Plan A.
silvermike Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 Garcia was on the Eagles roster this year, and took a couple kneeldowns. Who knew?
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 But at the time I don't think they were certain about Rodgers, that's why they drafted Brohm. Once they saw Rodgers was doing well Brohm had little chance of starting as Rodgers with 3 years experience was too far ahead for a rookie to beat him out. So Brohm drops to #2. That's where it gets tricky. Instead he falls to #3. What happened, was it a case of sulking? Maybe he was made some promises in rookie camp of being given a fair shot to start and his eyes that shot never came, so then he lost interest?? Who knows?? We do know that Green Bay did offer Brohm the same contract ass the Bills did, but he elected to sign with the Bills as he felt more chance to play. That does say that Green Bay still felt he had value, enough to pay him a fair amount to be a #3 guy? So I wouldn't say he doesn't have a shot. It's kind of what happened in San Diago with Rivers. I doubt they ever would have drafted him if they had known Brees was going to become the QB he did. They still could have made the trade with the Giants, but instead selected position players with that pick, or traded down again for more picks. They did trade Brees, but didn't get anywhere the value that the #4 overall pick would have been worth. In my opinion if they had traded down with the Giants, kept Breese and signed postion players or traded further down, they would have had the biggest dynesty in the league when you consider how good they are right now, but now add at least one more top level position player. And for anyonew who questions the value of the overall #4 pick i nthe draft......... remember Mike Williams!!! That GB, who drafted Brohm in the 2nd round a couple years ago, had him on their practice squad is a giant clue that thePackers didn't think that Brohm had a future in the NFL. Now, teams do make mistakes in evaluating young players, but think how little they must have thought of him to put a recent 2nd round pick on the practice squad. Teams don't like to admit mistakes with high round picks, especially so soon after drafting him. Maybe Brohm got a raw deal in GB, I don't know, but I wouldn't pin my hopes on him. Sure, let him compete for the job, but he can't be Plan A.
bfw1234 Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 yes Garcia would be a wise move. Garcia, Fitzpatrick and Brohm with a view toward developing/playing Brohm
Thoner7 Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 Question: With the CFL's Calgary offensive coordinator Cortez now being rumored to being close to signing with the Bills, and with his success in developing Flutie, Garcia, Brooks, and Boller, and with our current need for a true starting QB, does anyone see perhaps a slight chance of Jeff Garcia being signed for perhaps 2 years until we develop/draft "the future"? I've always loved Garcia, and minus his stint in Cleveland he has lit it up everywhere he has been. He would atleast be the same as McNabb, he would be better than Troy Smith, and he would- IMO- be a much better and bigger help than Vick. He's not being mentioned at all, but when he last played it does not appear that he has lost much (if any) all of these years. What does everyone think about Jeff Garcia as a short-term solution at QB? I for one wanted teh Bills to sign him the day he was cut from Oakland.
Ennjay Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 It's kind of what happened in San Diago with Rivers. I doubt they ever would have drafted him if they had known Brees was going to become the QB he did. They still could have made the trade with the Giants, but instead selected position players with that pick, or traded down again for more picks. They did trade Brees, but didn't get anywhere the value that the #4 overall pick would have been worth. Just for accuracy (although maybe you just mistyped): SD drafted Eli Manning #1 and traded him for the Giants' #4, Rivers. SD did NOT trade Brees. He played out his option and signed with NO as a free agent.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 Yes, that was what I meant, SD traded with the Giants, Manning and picks for Rivers. Supposedly they were trying to make the trade prior to the draft but ran out of time so ended up drafting Manning then tading as you stated. As far as Brees going to NO, I thought SD franchised him then traded him?? Could be mistaken?? Just for accuracy (although maybe you just mistyped): SD drafted Eli Manning #1 and traded him for the Giants' #4, Rivers. SD did NOT trade Brees. He played out his option and signed with NO as a free agent.
Ennjay Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 As far as Brees going to NO, I thought SD franchised him then traded him?? Could be mistaken?? Per the Saints website: CAREER TRANSACTIONS – Signed to six-year contract with Saints, (UFA), 3/16/06; Re-signed by San Diego Chargers to one-year contract as Franchise Player, 3/4/05; Designated Franchise Player by San Diego, 2/22/05; Selected by San Diego in the second round (32nd overall) of 2001 NFL Draft. So he was franchised for a year but signed as an Unrestricted Free Agent the year after that.
Ennjay Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 Per the Saints website: CAREER TRANSACTIONS – Signed to six-year contract with Saints, (UFA), 3/16/06; Re-signed by San Diego Chargers to one-year contract as Franchise Player, 3/4/05; Designated Franchise Player by San Diego, 2/22/05; Selected by San Diego in the second round (32nd overall) of 2001 NFL Draft. So he was franchised for a year but signed as an Unrestricted Free Agent the year after that. The things I spend my time doing when there's no football to watch . . .
Albany,n.y. Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 But at the time I don't think they were certain about Rodgers, that's why they drafted Brohm. Once they saw Rodgers was doing well Brohm had little chance of starting as Rodgers with 3 years experience was too far ahead for a rookie to beat him out. So Brohm drops to #2. That's where it gets tricky. Instead he falls to #3. What happened, was it a case of sulking? Maybe he was made some promises in rookie camp of being given a fair shot to start and his eyes that shot never came, so then he lost interest?? Who knows?? We do know that Green Bay did offer Brohm the same contract ass the Bills did, but he elected to sign with the Bills as he felt more chance to play. That does say that Green Bay still felt he had value, enough to pay him a fair amount to be a #3 guy? So I wouldn't say he doesn't have a shot. It's kind of what happened in San Diago with Rivers. I doubt they ever would have drafted him if they had known Brees was going to become the QB he did. They still could have made the trade with the Giants, but instead selected position players with that pick, or traded down again for more picks. They did trade Brees, but didn't get anywhere the value that the #4 overall pick would have been worth. In my opinion if they had traded down with the Giants, kept Breese and signed postion players or traded further down, they would have had the biggest dynesty in the league when you consider how good they are right now, but now add at least one more top level position player. And for anyonew who questions the value of the overall #4 pick i nthe draft......... remember Mike Williams!!! The only shot he's got is H1N1. Green Bay wanted a #3 guy for insurance. All trying to match the Bills offer says is that they preferred to have that insurance as a guy who already knew the system. If they thought enough of him they would have offered more than the 1 1/3 year contract at minumum. So what did they do after Brohm left, they signed Mike Reilly to the PS. Then when St. Louis signed Reilly, they signed Chris Pizzotti to the PS. Then in January they signed Pizzotti to the roster. Bottom line-GB wanted 3 QBs for insurance, nothing more. To even mention Brian Brohm in the same thread as Rivers is more than an insult to Rivers. Rivers was a #4 pick in the entire draft. Can you imagine if SD had gone with Brees & put Rivers on the trading block what Rivers would have yielded in a trade? Now compare thart to Brohm, who 31 teams could have had for the price of a waiver claim and just said NO.
DarthICE Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 I gotta agree, Brohm isnt the answer either.
rackemrack Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 The things I spend my time doing when there's no football to watch . . . but the pro bowl is on!!!
Russ 'Em Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 That GB, who drafted Brohm in the 2nd round a couple years ago, had him on their practice squad is a giant clue that thePackers didn't think that Brohm had a future in the NFL. Now, teams do make mistakes in evaluating young players, but think how little they must have thought of him to put a recent 2nd round pick on the practice squad. Teams don't like to admit mistakes with high round picks, especially so soon after drafting him. Maybe Brohm got a raw deal in GB, I don't know, but I wouldn't pin my hopes on him. Sure, let him compete for the job, but he can't be Plan A. The same GB team who had Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, and a Division I powerhouse program's qb, John David Booty ahead of him. He needs more then 3 days in an offense to make a decision on him. Yeah there were some issues when he came out of the draft (thought he deserved a starting job) which can be hard to shake when your with the same team. I don't mind a leader who thinks he belongs, he just needs to prove it.
rackemrack Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 The same GB team who had Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, and a Division I powerhouse program's qb, John David Booty ahead of him. He needs more then 3 days in an offense to make a decision on him. Yeah there were some issues when he came out of the draft (thought he deserved a starting job) which can be hard to shake when your with the same team. I don't mind a leader who thinks he belongs, he just needs to prove it. didn't booty get drafted by the vikings, then cut when they signed favre?
Acantha Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 yes Garcia would be a wise move. Garcia, Fitzpatrick and Brohm with a view toward developing/playing Brohm I would be very happy with this. Let Garcia start and give the coaches time with Brohm to decide if he can be the future starter. If not, look to the draft next year to find that guy (basically do what the Jets did and find a way to get they guy you want), maybe Locker or Mallet.
BufflaloBeastMode23 Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 HELL NO to brohm no no no ABSOLUTELY NOT...and if garcia wasnt 40 then maybe cuz he was a good qb........
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