Dems Tearing Each Other Apart

[BillsNYC]

Reminds me of the Presidential election coverage on MSNBC:

 

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/32053.html

[Magox]

I read this last night. It's funny how the Libs talk about divisions between the Repubs and Tea Partiers, but the infighting and vitriol filled bashing that the Progressives cast upon the moderate Democrats is much worse. Right now the reasonable minded Democrats are urging the W.H to move to the middle, the Progressives are saying that they should move more to the left.

 

Talk about being delusional

[GG]

You know it's getting bad, when

[IDBillzFan]

It's funny how the Libs talk about divisions between the Repubs and Tea Partiers, but the infighting and vitriol filled bashing that the Progressives cast upon the moderate Democrats is much worse.

There's a deeper level of comedy there if you look into their well laid-out plan to divide the GOP and the tea party movement. I read the bit from Robert Menendez, the Senatorial Campaign Committee chair, telling the party how to create the wedge...by asking their opponents a series of questions, including "“Do you believe that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen? Do you think the 10th Amendment bars Congress from issuing regulations like minimum health care coverage standards? Do you think programs like Social Security and Medicare represent socialism and should never have been created in the first place? Do you think President Obama is a socialist? Do you think America should return to a gold standard?”

 

The gotcha moment is if any of the Repubes answers "no" to any question, the Dem must then run as quickly as possible and report this answer to both the GOP candidate's opponent in the primary and the local tea party folks.

 

Because the tea party movement is nothing but a bunch of birthers who think Obama is a Hitler-moustache wearing commie. Could you possibly be more screwed up and wrong about anything right now?

 

I say this is a great idea. Move forward with it swiftly. And don't forget to call them teabaggers, too. That really kept them from traveling to Massachusetts to help Scott Brown.

[BillsNYC]

There's a deeper level of comedy there if you look into their well laid-out plan to divide the GOP and the tea party movement. I read the bit from Robert Menendez, the Senatorial Campaign Committee chair, telling the party how to create the wedge...by asking their opponents a series of questions, including "“Do you believe that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen? Do you think the 10th Amendment bars Congress from issuing regulations like minimum health care coverage standards? Do you think programs like Social Security and Medicare represent socialism and should never have been created in the first place? Do you think President Obama is a socialist? Do you think America should return to a gold standard?”

 

The gotcha moment is if any of the Repubes answers "no" to any question, the Dem must then run as quickly as possible and report this answer to both the GOP candidate's opponent in the primary and the local tea party folks.

 

Because the tea party movement is nothing but a bunch of birthers who think Obama is a Hitler-moustache wearing commie. Could you possibly be more screwed up and wrong about anything right now?

 

I say this is a great idea. Move forward with it swiftly. And don't forget to call them teabaggers, too. That really kept them from traveling to Massachusetts to help Scott Brown.

 

Although I don't believe that all tea baggers are birthers, I agree with most of what you said, and am shocked to admit it.

 

I think tea baggers are doing a great service in the long run by bringing the party to the right, they are going to hurt them short term by going after guys like McCain in the upcoming election.

[Magox]

There's a deeper level of comedy there if you look into their well laid-out plan to divide the GOP and the tea party movement. I read the bit from Robert Menendez, the Senatorial Campaign Committee chair, telling the party how to create the wedge...by asking their opponents a series of questions, including "“Do you believe that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen? Do you think the 10th Amendment bars Congress from issuing regulations like minimum health care coverage standards? Do you think programs like Social Security and Medicare represent socialism and should never have been created in the first place? Do you think President Obama is a socialist? Do you think America should return to a gold standard?”

 

The gotcha moment is if any of the Repubes answers "no" to any question, the Dem must then run as quickly as possible and report this answer to both the GOP candidate's opponent in the primary and the local tea party folks.

 

Because the tea party movement is nothing but a bunch of birthers who think Obama is a Hitler-moustache wearing commie. Could you possibly be more screwed up and wrong about anything right now?

 

I say this is a great idea. Move forward with it swiftly. And don't forget to call them teabaggers, too. That really kept them from traveling to Massachusetts to help Scott Brown.

Ya, I read that article as well, the Menendez one. You know they are in trouble this November when their main strategy is how to figure out to divide the Tea Party and Republicans as opposed to campaigning on substantive issues such as the Economy.

 

If you look at the Virginia, N.J and Massachusetts races, there was one theme that all those campaigns had in common, and that is that their platforms included less government spending, tax cuts and smaller government.

 

My guess is that GOP will have the same message, and to add to those campaigns they will put their Democratic challengers "on the record" by asking them a few key questions.

 

1) Did you or would you of supported the Senate Health Care Bill?

2) Did you or would you of supported the closing of Gitmo and the handling of the W.H of the KSM trials?

3) Do you support Cap and Trade?

 

These are three poison pills that Democrats will have to swallow this year.

[pBills]

I'll give the GOP credit. If McConnell, Boehner or anyone else higher up in the food chain says move... they move as one, say No as one, etc.

 

Personally, I would never trust a ridiculously tan person from Ohio. Just sayin'

[DC Tom]

Personally, I would never trust a ridiculously tan person from Ohio. Just sayin'

 

Why? No unionized tanning salons in the state?

[pBills]

I don't work for a union anymore. And I just think it's easy for the party to NO as one and not add anything else. Very easy for PR too.

[DC Tom]

I don't work a union anymore.

 

And it's really nothing personal, I'm just challenging myself to write the stupidest anti-pBills, anti-union post possible. I think the above was a good attempt.

 

(Yes, I know it's not a productive use of my time. A guy's got to have hobbies.)

 

And I just think it's easy for the party to NO as one and not add anything else. Very easy for PR too.

 

Worked for the Democrats. The minority party is always the "Party of Obstruction".

[Magox]

I don't work a union anymore. And I just think it's easy for the party to NO as one and not add anything else. Very easy for PR too.

What happens PBIlls and it's not just you but many other people as well, they get caught up in what the media and liberal pundits and politicians say. "They are the Party of No". "They don't have any solutions".

 

That's not entirely true, yes, that's what they have been doing, but the main problem is that there is two vastly differing POV's in how to run the country. I will give you a perfect example, Health Care Reform.

 

The Libs early on were hell bent on vastly expanding coverage, and having a public option. Expanding coverage means that there would be tremendous subsidies for health insurance coverage which would of mandated people into buying insurance or else face penalties. It also would create new taxes in the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars and over half a trillion dollars in Medicare cuts. Not to mention that this goes everything against Conservative values of bigger government.

 

So when the Conservatives said they were against some of these initiatives, the W.H and Democratic Congress shut them out of negotiations.

 

So it's not just about saying "No", it's about having to opposite end POV's.

 

If the W.H would of embraced an approach of working in a bipartisan matter and asked them:

 

1) What would you like in the Health Care Reform Bill?

2) What are you totally dead set against?

3) What are you willing to consider that you don't like from our proposals if we are willing to compromise on one of your issues?

 

If they would of went this approach, they wouldn't of had to go through this bruising battle that they are losing, and the president would of kept alot more of the independents on his side. Instead they are sprinting away from him, because this was not the sort of "change" that they were hoping for.

 

The big miscalculation that the W.H made, or rather one of the big miscalculations was that 85% of the public has health insurance and polling suggests that the vast majority of people are happy with the insurance they have. When you couple this data with how poorly the economy is doing, this was a battle that they were sure to lose in the court of public opinion and as a result, they are getting hammered in the political arena.

[IDBillzFan]

...their platforms included less government spending, tax cuts and smaller government.

Three huge tea party issues. It's not a birth certificate. It's not whether Obama is a socialist. In other words, while you'll always see signs from stupid people at their gatherings, the left is making the incorrect assumption that the handful of stupid people are representative of the entire group and not realizing the focus is on actual issues, not speculative ones based on someone taking an Iphone photo of a LaRouche supporter and sending it Chris Matthews.

 

Meanwhile, they also ignore the biggest difference between the momentum of Obama supporters and the momentum of tea party folks: the Obama folks who came out in force, and worked the campaign and busted their hump for Obama believed that if they only got that rock up the hill, the work was done, which I think is a main reason why they never came out in NJ, PA and Mass. The tea party folks recognize that getting the rock up the hill does not complete the job. They need to keep pushing, by holding candidates accountable for their promises. It's pretty cool...until, like other things, it gets too big, believes its own press, and becomes no more effective than the GOP or DNC.

[pBills]

And it's really nothing personal, I'm just challenging myself to write the stupidest anti-pBills, anti-union post possible. I think the above was a good attempt.

 

(Yes, I know it's not a productive use of my time. A guy's got to have hobbies.)

 

 

 

Worked for the Democrats. The minority party is always the "Party of Obstruction".

 

 

[Doc]

The big miscalculation that the W.H made, or rather one of the big miscalculations was that 85% of the public has health insurance and polling suggests that the vast majority of people are happy with the insurance they have. When you couple this data with how poorly the economy is doing, this was a battle that they were sure to lose in the court of public opinion and as a result, they are getting hammered in the political arena.

Their biggest miscalculations were Ted Kennedy's life expectancy and Martha Coakley's appeal. Without Kennedy dying or Coakley coming off like an entitled Barry sycophant, they would have rammed health care through despite the objections of their constituents, claiming they were making history and that is was for their constuents' own good, even if they didn't realize it.

 

BTW, the WH pressing the House to pass the Senate bill pretty much confirms what Marion Barry said about Barry. If they do it, there will be a November election massacre with probably a flipping of the majority in the House and Senate, and it will render Barry's remaining presidency even more ineffectual. But I guess in his mind, his awesomeness will prevent that.