Thurman#1 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 ^This. 370lbs is a lot a weight to move even if he brings it down and turns that into muscle. My goodness, can you imagine the monster fill we would have at DT. I say draft him in teh second round if there. Solves the big guy in the middle problem. A weight clause is all that we need? I guess so. Because Andre Smith has one, and look how svelte he is. First, lots of teams already have standard weight-related fines, including the Bills. Second, you have to draft a guy before you get him to sign a contract. If the weight contract is too punitive, you're likely to get the guy not signing his contract. Third, many many of the bigger guys in the league routinely accept the fines of a couple of thousand per game as the price of doing business. They don't change their behavior, they just pay the fines. If it was all that easy, don't you think someone would have thought of it before? Wouldn't the NFL have thus totally elimnated the "eating yourself out of the league" phenomenon? How has that worked out?
Thurman#1 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 People said the same exact thing about Andre Smith last year...and look how well he played in Cincy this year. Eating your way out of the league doesn't generally happen in your first year. It takes two or three, generally. Way too early to call Andre Smith a success.
Thurman#1 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 you are making the mistake of assuming that his listed weight was his actual weight We're not just using some listed weight. His previous weight fluctuations are a matter of record. http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/04/tuscal...oes_senior.html
Thurman#1 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 Do you really think someone who plays at 350 is going to feel a 20lb difference? Did you see the picture? Of course he is going to feel it, anybody would. Try carrying a 20 pound weight around for three hours. It gets tiring. Now do it while playing football. Of course it affects you, and we're talking about a guy with stamina problems and speed problems BEFORE he put on the extra 20..
Thurman#1 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 Yet, he's probably in better shape than 50% of the posters here. Nobody pays posters to play well in the fourth quarter.
Thurman#1 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 Don't be surprised if the Bills switch to a 3-4 defense this year if the Bills trade down and take Dan Williams from Tennessee....He is a much more cut 325 and is more then capable of filling the NG role in a 3-4. His stock will definetely rise as time goes on. This is what I'm thinking. I wanted Cody before this (though not at #9, and not if we stay in a 4 - 3). But this is a huge red flag about bad attitude and lack of self-control.
Mikie2times Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 They said the same thing about Rogers out of Texas and Ngata out of Oregon. Even now many lineman struggle with weight in the off season. All he needs to be is competitive. He will learn his role as a DT and he will get into playing shape in camp. So when he lines up against his man, is he lazy or is he too competitive to be lazy? That's what matters most with guys like this. By his on field play I would say he's a competitive guy.
iinii Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 ^This. 370lbs is a lot a weight to move even if he brings it down and turns that into muscle. My goodness, can you imagine the monster fill we would have at DT. I say draft him in teh second round if there. Solves the big guy in the middle problem. And he plays a heck of a fullback in short yardage.
dgrid Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 And he plays a heck of a fullback in short yardage. Fridge-style!
Thurman#1 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 They said the same thing about Rogers out of Texas and Ngata out of Oregon. Even now many lineman struggle with weight in the off season. All he needs to be is competitive. He will learn his role as a DT and he will get into playing shape in camp. So when he lines up against his man, is he lazy or is he too competitive to be lazy? That's what matters most with guys like this. By his on field play I would say he's a competitive guy. They never worried about Ngata. He's never been wildly overweight. Google "Terrence Cody we" just "we" and google guesses you're looking for "weight problems" and it comes up on your screen. Google "Haloti Ngata weight prob" and google doesn't guess because there haven't been a lot of media interest there. Shaun Rogers has formally asked the Browns to release him because the Browns asked him to maintain his weight. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/..._issues_pr.html Rogers has also suffered knee problems for his whole career, which likely relate to his weight issues. This is one of the problems you get with severely overweight guys, knee problems. Overall, though, Rogers has managed his weight fairly well over the course of his career. Cody has shown he can't. And anyway, next to Cody, Rogers is a little bitty fella.
Mikie2times Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 They never worried about Ngata. He's never been wildly overweight. Google "Terrence Cody we" just "we" and google guesses you're looking for "weight problems" and it comes up on your screen. Google "Haloti Ngata weight prob" and google doesn't guess because there haven't been a lot of media interest there. Shaun Rogers has formally asked the Browns to release him because the Browns asked him to maintain his weight. Rogers has also suffered knee problems for his whole career, which likely relate to his weight issues. This is one of the problems you get with severely overweight guys, knee problems. But next to Cody, Rogers is a little bitty fella. Terence Cody and his weight is a much bigger more recent story, sure. Not surprised that would be linked so heavily in google. Then again I didn't know a google search defined "who" worried about the weight. Both players got a lot of hype, and both got selected lower then how they performed in the NFL. As for Rogers we should only be so lucky to have an unmotivated fat ass like him. He would make our offensive line look like a bunch of kickers blocking. Do we really expect to keep any player long enough to have age/weight related knee problems anyway? I'm not worried about what will happen to a guy 6 years from now with how we keep our stars. By the way has Cody had any history of such Knee problems? He looks pretty quick playing William Perry role on goaline. He's a major talent. He's not perfect. He will either get in playing shape when it's time or he will be out of the league. If he steps up you have a pro bowler. With other players you risk just as much bustability and have less upside, especially considering how coveted DT's like that are.
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I missed the part where Ted Washington was a slim, trim, and well cut 350lb man. I agree with those who would sprint to the podium in rd 2 if he's there.
bfw1234 Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I see cody as a sam adams type, he has the talent, and if he can do what big sam used to i'd gladly spend a 2nd rd pick on him ditto. the bigger the better - I'm tired of undersized and overmatched dline. We got run the f over this year
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Well, having a space eater wouldn't hurt the run defense (which sucks). And, there is always Aaron Maybin for the pass rush.
theesir Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Shaun Rogers has formally asked the Browns to release him because the Browns asked him to maintain his weight. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/..._issues_pr.html Rogers has also suffered knee problems for his whole career, which likely relate to his weight issues. This is one of the problems you get with severely overweight guys, knee problems. Overall, though, Rogers has managed his weight fairly well over the course of his career. Cody has shown he can't. And anyway, next to Cody, Rogers is a little bitty fella. That story is from February of 2009... How did it turn out?
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 You add a weight clause in his contract then. The guy can dunk a basketball. He is a freak at his size. People over think things sometimes. He dominanted for the national champs. Without Cody, McClain isn't a top 10 pick. Cody is an instant run defense upgrade. What do you mean by weight clause? Like he doesnt get paid as much if he is over a certain weight? Did we have that for Mike Williams?
Thoner7 Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 http://footballsfuture.com/2010/seniorbowl/monday.html If you guys liked the Andre Smith pics last year, this one may top it. About half way down the page.
jangalang Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Another quote from the Senior Bowl practices: "Terrence Cody is also a forced to be reckoned with. It’s almost impossible for a single blocker to move Cody out of the hole and sometimes double teams don’t even work. He’s an ideal NT in the NFL and will demand double teams on any running play. While he’s clearly out of shape, he has the talent to be dominate in the NFL if he can develop a stronger work ethic."
drg2021 Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Another quote from the Senior Bowl practices: "Terrence Cody is also a forced to be reckoned with. It’s almost impossible for a single blocker to move Cody out of the hole and sometimes double teams don’t even work. He’s an ideal NT in the NFL and will demand double teams on any running play. While he’s clearly out of shape, he has the talent to be dominate in the NFL if he can develop a stronger work ethic." Was this a quote from Mayock or was it from someone else.I put alot of stock in Mayock,he is the best in the business.
Thurman#1 Posted January 28, 2010 Author Posted January 28, 2010 Another quote from the Senior Bowl practices: "Terrence Cody is also a forced to be reckoned with. It’s almost impossible for a single blocker to move Cody out of the hole and sometimes double teams don’t even work. He’s an ideal NT in the NFL and will demand double teams on any running play. While he’s clearly out of shape, he has the talent to be dominate in the NFL if he can develop a stronger work ethic." I'm just curious where you found that quote. I tried googling large quotations from it and got nothing. Can we see where you got it? Because I cruised through the blogs and evals from practice and haven't found one positive thing about how Cody is doing at the Senior Bowl practices. Here's a quote from the Senior Bowl practices: "Sliders Terrence Cody/DT/Alabama: Cody looked poorly conditioned on Monday, tipping the scales at a sloppy 370 pounds. During practice he quickly tired and struggled to keep pace with the rest of the linemen. He was pushed to the ground and handled by lesser opponents on a number of occasions." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/foot...nday/index.html And another: "Terrance Cody, in an homage to former teammate Andre Smith, showed up grossly overweight. NFLN pointed out that he had difficulties even setting up in his stance before the snap." http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/1/25/126...practice-report And another: Posted by: Ed Thompson at 01/27/2010 04:18 PM ET "Cody Limping Alabama DT Terrence Cody was limping a bit with what appeared to be a minor foot or ankle injury after finishing a one-on-one battle with an offensive lineman. He has stayed out on the field and is competing, but is stll limping between plays." http://profootball.scout.com/2/941359.html And another: "Posted by: Ed Thompson at 01/25/2010 04:53 PM ET Byers Shutting Down Cody USC offensive lineman Jeff Byers twice kept Alabama defensive lineman Terrence Cody tied up so long that Cody looked worn out after the second effort." http://profootball.scout.com/2/940846.html And another: "NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said that's a number that will not help the draft status of a prospect for whom conditioning is a primary concern. "It hurts. And it wasn't a clean 370," Mayock said. "How many quality snaps you get out of him is going to be directly proportionate to what kind of shape he's in." http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2...ize_is_a_w.html Ah, found a much more positive one, mixed but generally positive: "01/27/10 - Senior Bowl, Tuesday: Terrance Cody's sloppy build may draw sneers, but the big man is helping himself this week with his stout play inside. Teams knew he could hold the point against double-teams, but seeing him stuff the action on television is much different than watching him in person blow up plays before they even get a chance to begin. Cody clearly isn't the same dominant player at the end of practice that he is in the beginning, but if substituted often, he could quickly emerge as one of the league's better nose tackles. As a specialist, it might be too much to think he'll earn a first-round pick, but there is no way he'll get out of the second round if he comes in healthy at the Combine. - Rob Rang and Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com "01/27/10 - Senior Bowl, Wednesday: Focusing on the line play Wednesday, it became very clear that NFL interior offensive linemen won't be looking forward to the arrival of massive SEC tackles Terrence Cody (Alabama) and Dan Williams (Tennessee). Everyone knows about Cody's nickname, "Mount," because the 370-pound behemoth gave SEC offensive lines fits over the past two seasons after being a junior college All-American. However, he relies fully on his brute strength to win battles inside while his pass rush ability and lateral movement are limited. That pure power he uses overwhelmed centers Jeff Byers (Southern Cal) and Ted Larsen (N.C. State) nearly every time during one-on-one drills. Those guys will have help on Sundays, however, and veteran centers are much stronger. In fact, LSU's Ciron Black moved inside to guard (also lining up at right tackle) and fared very well against Cody in drills and team play. And these practices didn't show Cody's lack of stamina once in the action for a few consecutive plays. Still, the quick burst he shows and his ability to eat blocks and create piles inside will remind scouts of long-time space-eater Ted Washington, possibly garnering him the type of late first-round slot (especially by a 3-4 team looking for a nose tackle) Washington earned coming out of Louisville almost two decades ago. - Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com " http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dspro...0&genpos=dt Not "the same dominant player at the end of practice that he is in the beginning, but if substituted often..." There you have it. You have to pretty much accept that this guy is going to need frequent substitutions, unlike Ted Washington, for instance.
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