BobbyC81 Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 Here are some physical stats from NFL.com: Maybin- 6-4, 250 Schobel- 6-4, 243 (if Maybin is small, what is Schobel?) Kelsay- 6-4, 261 C.Ellis- 6-4, 261 Maybin put on a lot of muscle between the end of his last college season and the Combine. He likely can add some more. Yes, the Bills DEs are on the small side weight-wise compared to the average NFL DE but that's what fit their scheme.
DrFishfinder Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 Here are some physical stats from NFL.com: Maybin- 6-4, 250 Schobel- 6-4, 243 (if Maybin is small, what is Schobel?) Kelsay- 6-4, 261 C.Ellis- 6-4, 261 Maybin put on a lot of muscle between the end of his last college season and the Combine. He likely can add some more. Yes, the Bills DEs are on the small side weight-wise compared to the average NFL DE but that's what fit their scheme. Maybe Maybin is just not that good? Would that be a possibility?
NY Nole Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 I will likely never warm to the Maybin pick, but I don't doubt that a full NFL off-season conditioning program can do wonders for his size/strength. No matter how hard he worked out before he reported to camp last year -- it likely wasn't as good as supervision from a pro NFL team (Bills staff or not).
MDH Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 If the Bills do end up going to a 3-4 I think we can expect Maybin to be moved to LB where his size would be just right. Let's hope he's smart enough to be able to handle making the transition.
Hardy Pyle Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 As Freeney said, size is overrated. It's all about leverage.
bmur66 Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 Those same stats have Pat Williams listed at 317 lbs.
DaGimp Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 Here are some physical stats from NFL.com: Maybin- 6-4, 250 Schobel- 6-4, 243 (if Maybin is small, what is Schobel?) Kelsay- 6-4, 261 C.Ellis- 6-4, 261 Maybin put on a lot of muscle between the end of his last college season and the Combine. He likely can add some more. Yes, the Bills DEs are on the small side weight-wise compared to the average NFL DE but that's what fit their scheme. hmm and everyone on that list sucks... to counteract the schobel worshipers on this board - i'll say that he's at least average
nostyle126 Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 Maybin got up to 250 through a special combine-training program. After the combine he 'returned to normal' and is typically around 230. He needs to start by packing on a LEGITIMATE 20 pounds of muscle. Then we can talk about putting on extra mass. http://www.powertrainsports.com/combine-training.php
Fewell733 Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 well first the listed heights weights aren't worth very much. Maybin said that he played at 245, but then he kind of implied in the same interview that he played closer to 240 (he also said he wants to play around 255 next season). Schobel has said that he just doesn't bother lying about his weight like most DE's in the league do. the main thing is that Maybin looks and plays light. Schobel doesn't. It's probably, as Hardy Pile says, about leverage - body shapes vary and power is more about how the player is able to utilize their strength rather than just how many pounds they weigh on a scale.
tennesseeboy Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 Here are some physical stats from NFL.com: Maybin- 6-4, 250 Schobel- 6-4, 243 (if Maybin is small, what is Schobel?) Kelsay- 6-4, 261 C.Ellis- 6-4, 261 Maybin put on a lot of muscle between the end of his last college season and the Combine. He likely can add some more. Yes, the Bills DEs are on the small side weight-wise compared to the average NFL DE but that's what fit their scheme. Smallness may be an issue of some kind. I think the bigger issue is the fact that sucks at professional football. Otherwise he would have earned a lot more playing time or perhaps been moved to linebacker given the rash of injuries we had at linebacker.
SuperKillerRobots Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 Those same stats have Pat Williams listed at 317 lbs. That's only one foot on the scale though.
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 He's more like 225 to 235 and that was confirmed by someone near the end of the season. WAYYYYYY too lean for a DE.
stuckincincy Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 He was active in all 16 games, garnering 11 solo tackles and 7 assists. Not exactly what you expect to get out of a #11 pick these days. Perhaps he'll make some noise next season - but so far, he's a just a signing Queen. I guess we'll see what next year brings.
evilbuffalobob Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 Here are some physical stats from NFL.com: Maybin- 6-4, 250 Schobel- 6-4, 243 (if Maybin is small, what is Schobel?) Kelsay- 6-4, 261 C.Ellis- 6-4, 261 Maybin put on a lot of muscle between the end of his last college season and the Combine. He likely can add some more. Yes, the Bills DEs are on the small side weight-wise compared to the average NFL DE but that's what fit their scheme. Yes, the Bills DEs are on the small side weight-wise compared to the average NFL DE but that's what fit their SUCKYscheme... THE tAMPON-2
Deadstroke Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 Here are some physical stats from NFL.com: Maybin- 6-4, 250 Schobel- 6-4, 243 (if Maybin is small, what is Schobel?) Kelsay- 6-4, 261 C.Ellis- 6-4, 261 Maybin put on a lot of muscle between the end of his last college season and the Combine. He likely can add some more. Yes, the Bills DEs are on the small side weight-wise compared to the average NFL DE but that's what fit their scheme. As a couple of other posters are saying, Maybin REALLY doesn't weigh in at 250, and now it's getting doubtful whether he can put on weight and keep it on. Furthermore, as for Schobel, he is an exception to the rule, while Kelsey is a legitimate 261 (and isn't exactly a star, huh?), and Ellis.....while heck, man, Ellis is really a non factor so far, don't you think?
BuffaloBill Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 While Schobel has had games and even seasons where he has been brilliant what do any of those names mean as a comparison? The Bills have been on a run of drafting or acquiring undersized DE's and LB's for years. Nix even pointed this out in a not so subtle way in his initial presser. Size, strength and speed are the keys to a solid defense in the NFL.
timbuk3 Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 I will likely never warm to the Maybin pick, but I don't doubt that a full NFL off-season conditioning program can do wonders for his size/strength. No matter how hard he worked out before he reported to camp last year -- it likely wasn't as good as supervision from a pro NFL team (Bills staff or not). Guess it would be beneficial to get a strength and conditioning coach in ASAP.
Buffaloed in Pa Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 He's more like 225 to 235 and that was confirmed by someone near the end of the season. WAYYYYYY too lean for a DE. My sons friend goes to Penn st. and he told us that he could not believe Maybins size. He said that my son who weighs about 215 5-11 and works out . Looked much bigger than Money Maybin. He cannot believe that Maybin is a 1st rd De. He last saw him in late summer at the waffle house in state colledge.
KD in CA Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 Here are some physical stats from NFL.com: Maybin- 6-4, 250 Schobel- 6-4, 243 (if Maybin is small, what is Schobel?) Kelsay- 6-4, 261 C.Ellis- 6-4, 261 Maybin put on a lot of muscle between the end of his last college season and the Combine. He likely can add some more. Yes, the Bills DEs are on the small side weight-wise compared to the average NFL DE but that's what fit their scheme. Their scheme to give up 250 yards rushing per game and get no pressure on the QB? ALL of those guys are too small.
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