Warner >>>> Tebow

[BucksNBills]

you say that it is grandstanding and self-righteousness to take a stand on abortion. Love to have that dialogue with you sometime. Feel free to email me. Is there anyway I can give you my email other than on here?

 

Haha take it easy

[fansince88]

I wasn't really picking on you. I was mostly joking. The bannable offense comment was a joke because everyone disparages PPP.

 

However, if we discuss religion and abortion this thread will end up there quickly. My take, Tebow should have a commercial that isn't too preachy if he wants to reach as wide an audience as possible.

Oh, didnt think you were picking. This is a good test for him. Hope he isnt too preachy. There are times and places for that. That is not the time or place. But if Miller can advertise scantly women and viagra can advertise sex then the Focus on the Family should be able to advocate a babies right to live. Just saying

[H2o]

Tebow is an outstanding young man who does exactly what the Bible tells you to do which is take the message out to the world. To be hated comes with the territory, but by no means should it deter you. People in other countries die for the sake of Christ and though people would like to nail you to the cross in the US for the same reasons, they can't. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are protected under the Constitution of United States. If you don't like what he has to say, turn the channel when it comes on. No one is forcing you to watch it.

[generaLee83]

If she had gone through with the abortion we wouldn't have to listen to him spew his message on those of us who fare quite well without man's worst creation: religion.

 

That's what I get out of it.

 

During his commercial I will most likely be taking a dump.

[Peevo]

Tim Tebow is a robot created by the Christian church to take over the world. He wasn't aborted because he was constructed in a lab. His lifetime checklist provided by God himself looks like this:

 

Be coined as the next savior for Florida football

Win back to back national championships

Lose 1 game to prove you will rise again

Be doubted

Rise again (win Superbowl)

Take over world

 

This will happen and James Cameron will make another lame movie about it.

 

 

Amazing Stuff.

 

As much as Tim Tebow is a true living American Folk Hero, the fact that his group can afford 30 seconds of ad time on one of the most expensive tv broadcasts every year strikes me as questionable. I just don't think its the right venue to preach your opinion on very divisive issue. I'm not saying either side doesn't have its merits, I just don't think the Superbowl should be the venue for that kind of discussion. Football and sports is about escapism, not depressing issues like abortion. Sandwiched between spots with male focus group tested archetypes (hot girls, beer, cars, sports, etc) will be this pretentious and condescending ad about "family values."

[Booster4324]

Oh, didnt think you were picking. This is a good test for him. Hope he isnt too preachy. There are times and places for that. That is not the time or place. But if Miller can advertise scantly women and viagra can advertise sex then the Focus on the Family should be able to advocate a babies right to live. Just saying

 

Sounds fair to me.

 

Edit - PPP in 3...2...1...

Edited January 19, 2010 by Booster4324

[fansince88]

Tebow is an outstanding young man who does exactly what the Bible tells you to do which is take the message out to the world. To be hated comes with the territory, but by no means should it deter you. People in other countries die for the sake of Christ and though people would like to nail you to the cross in the US for the same reasons, they can't. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are protected under the Constitution of United States. If you don't like what he has to say, turn the channel when it comes on. No one is forcing you to watch it.

Preach it Brother!

[fansince88]

Amazing Stuff.

 

As much as Tim Tebow is a true living American Folk Hero, the fact that his group can afford 30 seconds of ad time on one of the most expensive tv broadcasts every year strikes me as questionable. I just don't think its the right venue to preach your opinion on very divisive issue. I'm not saying either side doesn't have its merits, I just don't think the Superbowl should be the venue for that kind of discussion. Football and sports is about escapism, not depressing issues like abortion. Sandwiched between spots with male focus group tested archetypes (hot girls, beer, cars, sports, etc) will be this pretentious and condescending ad about "family values."

see post 22

[Booster4324]

If she had gone through with the abortion we wouldn't have to listen to him spew his message on those of us who fare quite well without man's worst creation: religion.

 

That's what I get out of it.

 

During his commercial I will most likely be taking a dump.

 

 

Amazing Stuff.

 

As much as Tim Tebow is a true living American Folk Hero, the fact that his group can afford 30 seconds of ad time on one of the most expensive tv broadcasts every year strikes me as questionable. I just don't think its the right venue to preach your opinion on very divisive issue. I'm not saying either side doesn't have its merits, I just don't think the Superbowl should be the venue for that kind of discussion. Football and sports is about escapism, not depressing issues like abortion. Sandwiched between spots with male focus group tested archetypes (hot girls, beer, cars, sports, etc) will be this pretentious and condescending ad about "family values."

 

The Christian types are playing nice. Give it a try.

[Geno Smith's Arm]

you say that it is grandstanding and self-righteousness to take a stand on abortion. Love to have that dialogue with you sometime. Feel free to email me. Is there anyway I can give you my email other than on here?

 

I didn't imply that taking a stand on abortion is grandstanding and self-righteous. In fact, I don't care what his stand is on abortion.

But, a football player making a commercial that will debut during the Super Bowl to express an opinion FOR OR AGAINST sets off an alarm in my mind. And if you are an overhyped football player that doesn't meet the expectations that you have been involved in creating, that kind of behavior will grate on people. If he ends up a failure in the NFL (after being selected with a high pick),it will surely annoy MANY of the fans of the team that picks him.

 

You disagree with that? You don't think it would annoy people? Or you just get all riled up because abortion is the subject of the commercial? Switch it around, and imagine a player in his position coming out with a pro-choice commercial to be debuted during the Super Bowl.

 

I have no interest in bickering about abortion with you over emails.

[fansince88]

I didn't imply that taking a stand on abortion is grandstanding and self-righteous. In fact, I don't care what his stand is on abortion.

But, a football player making a commercial that will debut during the Super Bowl to express an opinion FOR OR AGAINST sets off an alarm in my mind. And if you are an overhyped football player that doesn't meet the expectations that you have been involved in creating, that kind of behavior will grate on people. If he ends up a failure in the NFL (after being selected with a high pick),it will surely annoy MANY of the fans of the team that picks him.

 

You disagree with that? You don't think it would annoy people? Or you just get all riled up because abortion is the subject of the commercial? Switch it around, and imagine a player in his position coming out with a pro-choice commercial to be debuted during the Super Bowl.

 

I have no interest in bickering about abortion with you over emails.

So If he becomes the next Joe Montana it is ok with you but if he ends up lie trent edwards its not.

Secondly if he is a football player he has no right voicing an oppinion. I dont care if he is a crack addict, he has the right to voice his oppinion.

Thirdly, his mother was incouraged to abort him due to pregnacy issues by a professional doctor. So they in my oppinion have the right to take a stand and say look at us and see how things didnt turn out the way doctors said.

I dont think your issue is the whole football thing.

If they banned all beer comercials from the SB would you be upset. I would have to sugest that you turn the game off as soon as Focus on the family comes on because i wouldnt want you to be annoyed if he turns into a failure because he doesnt believe in abortion.

[Geno Smith's Arm]

So If he becomes the next Joe Montana it is ok with you but if he ends up lie trent edwards its not.

Secondly if he is a football player he has no right voicing an oppinion. I dont care if he is a crack addict, he has the right to voice his oppinion.

Thirdly, his mother was incouraged to abort him due to pregnacy issues by a professional doctor. So they in my oppinion have the right to take a stand and say look at us and see how things didnt turn out the way doctors said.

I dont think your issue is the whole football thing.

If they banned all beer comercials from the SB would you be upset. I would have to sugest that you turn the game off as soon as Focus on the family comes on because i wouldnt want you to be annoyed if he turns into a failure because he doesnt believe in abortion.

[Peevo]

I think the above poster was trying to explain that it's not the opinion of Tebow that is the point of discussion. It's the time and place. I'm gonna be eating pizza and wings, drinking some beer with friends watching the game on Superbowl Sunday. It's become a de facto American holiday. It is NOT the place to talk about heavily debatable issues. I want to vegetate and watch (hopefully) entertaining football. It's football. Not a thesis on determinism or when conception starts.

 

You can have this debate in a classroom, a church, or town hall if you like to scream at people. I just don't need to be preached to on abortion on a secular holiday. Seriously. I would feel the same way if it were a Pro Choice ad. It's not the opinion, its the forum. I don't force my opinion on people. I don't have "It's not a Choice, it's a Child" stickers on my car, nor the opposite. I find any of that sanctimonious. Don't tell me how to live my life, I don't tell you how to live yours. THAT is the condescending nature of these right-to-life thumpers. There's no pro-gay marriage 30 second ad during the game. That would throw the Christian right into a wonderful "liberal indoctrinated" tizzy.

 

I just want to stress I have no issues with Tebow's opinion on abortion. I think his story is actually pretty compelling. I just don't want to be preached and talked down to because I choose to watch a football game.

[Heels20X6]

Tim Tebow is a robot created by the Christian church to take over the world. He wasn't aborted because he was constructed in a lab. His lifetime checklist provided by God himself looks like this:

 

Be coined as the next savior for Florida football

Win back to back national championships

Lose 1 game to prove you will rise again

Be doubted

Rise again (win Superbowl)

Take over world

 

This will happen and James Cameron will make another lame movie about it.

 

If it's in 3-D, I'll probably see it....

[PastaJoe]

Tebow is an outstanding young man who does exactly what the Bible tells you to do which is take the message out to the world. To be hated comes with the territory, but by no means should it deter you. People in other countries die for the sake of Christ and though people would like to nail you to the cross in the US for the same reasons, they can't. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are protected under the Constitution of United States. If you don't like what he has to say, turn the channel when it comes on. No one is forcing you to watch it.

 

I hope he gets drafted by the Oakland Raiders. Let him take that message to the Raider nation.

 

You ever notice that when a religious player does well, they praise God for guiding them and helping them succeed. But when they have a bad game, they never say, "God abandoned me today, I was really let down that he didn't show up to support me".

[MattyT]

Tim Tebow has made a pact with the devil to be given such skills on the football field and he will pay for it later in life. It's a fact. Just ask Pat Robertson.

[H2o]

You guys may not like this, but this add may save the life of an unborn child that cannot speak for itself. It could very well end up being a deterent for a woman hanging in the balance between abortion and going through with the pregnancy. You talk about the venue, but what better venue is there than a commercial during the most watched event in the US each year. For all of the people that want to push these types of issues to the back of their mind, I hope and pray that they come to the forefront of your thoughts every day. I hope one day it's like the light switch comes on. One day all of us will answer for every choice we've made in life, Christian or not, and Tim (along with his mother) are carrying out their mission to help steer people in the right direction. In the end, God knows whom are His and those with a heart soft enough to receive the message. Those are exactly the ones whom this is for.

[H2o]

I hope he gets drafted by the Oakland Raiders. Let him take that message to the Raider nation.

 

You ever notice that when a religious player does well, they praise God for guiding them and helping them succeed. But when they have a bad game, they never say, "God abandoned me today, I was really let down that he didn't show up to support me".

LOL!!! That's funny. That's because people grounded in Christ know that He will never leave us nor forsake us and all things work together for good to those who love Him. It doesn't say everything will be good, but works together for good. Life experiences keep us humble.

[The Rev.Mattb74 ESQ.]

I never understand when people get all upset when an athlete says something they disagree with. I dont care about John Rocker or Dusty Baker, Charles Barkley or Tim Tebow. Of all the people I know I can't think of one I agree with on every topic. I choose who's opinions matter to me and who's doesn't.

[2003Contenders]

LOL!!! That's funny. That's because people grounded in Christ know that He will never leave us nor forsake us and all things work together for good to those who love Him. It doesn't say everything will be good, but works together for good. Life experiences keep us humble.