DC Tom Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Big difference in responding to a disaster in our own country and a foreign island country. There was a lack of National Guard resources because many of them were in Iraq. You could helicopter troops and supplies into New Orleans without waiting for days if they were available, you can't helicopter to Haiti. Are you really this !@#$ing stupid? There is a big difference...that wasn't even close to being it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Big difference in responding to a disaster in our own country and a foreign island country. There was a lack of National Guard resources because many of them were in Iraq. You could helicopter troops and supplies into New Orleans without waiting for days if they were available, you can't helicopter to Haiti. Don't forget Bush had the levee's dynamited, so there was plenty of advance notice. What a screwball you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 US Response to Haiti (used links from Wiki) 1/13 - 2 Coast Guard Cutters and a Navy Destroyer show up to evaluate the harbor. Looks like total of 4 C-130s show up to drop off Special Tactics personnel and supplies as well as evacuate others (2 CG and 2 AF but could be only two showed up). 1/14 - The Special Tactics guys get the airport operating 24/7. 1/15 - USS Carl Vinson (yay) shows up. 19 helicopters (there you go PJ), trained medical personal, 5000 crewman, and the ability to distill 400,000 gallons of water per day. Not sure how they will deliver this water, but hey. Looks like 2 more CG cutters showed up as well. Downside so far, many are on their way and yet there are the difficulties with fuel for planes, the airport, the harbor (huge frigging problem), and frankly anyway to get the materials distributed once they arrive in Haiti or the Dominican Republic (another huge frigging problem). Other ships are on the way. The most notable IMO is the USNS Comfort (super yay) with its 12 operating rooms, 1000 patient beds, and the ability to distill 300,000 gallons of water per day (see above for distribution). Downside, the one article I read that projected a date of arrival is 1/22. WTF? I read one blurb that seemed to suggest it was because of the ships speed (17 knots or so), but the main issue is the ship is docked as usual, with a 5 day prep time to get ready to sail. It should be noted that the same ship left the same condition to help in NO in two days. Curious to see how this one plays out. The second most notable ship IMO is the USS Bataan. It is a helicopter carrier essentially. Last I read it had 40ish helicopters aboard. The latest article suggests it will deploy with the Comfort (tt should have been able to be there faster IMO based on it's location). There are Army elements being deployed, but those articles seem very vague. Some are already criticizing the speed of this operation, most notably: Retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, who led the relief efforts in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, said on CNN Thursday that the American military “could have been there a day earlier.” Feel free to correct me wherever I am wrong. I am curious to see how this plays out and if I am wrong will amend the Wiki article. My gut feeling is this is proceeding a bit slow. Oh and for those who wish to criticize the 100 million in aid: Katrina Ice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Would Obama have offered $100M to a European country? I'm just asking because Haiti is full of black people. And we all know how much Obama hates white people /sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Would Obama have offered $100M to a European country? I'm just asking because Haiti is full of black people. And we all know how much Obama hates white people /sarcasm Obama bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Obama bad President BAD!!! is so 2000's. We're in a different decade now It's time to move on (.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Obama bad Obama not relevant. The president doesn't plan major relief operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Don't forget Bush had the levee's dynamited, so there was plenty of advance notice. What a screwball you are. Laugh as you must, stories like this get traction from many moons ago. I mean honestly... I know the whole notion of them blowing the levees during Katrina was silly... Yet, in times past, it was a very practical tool in saving NOLA from damage. YET, I can see how that story got started with 1927 only being so many generations away. The stories from that flood had to surley be passed down through the generation and had to be still fresh in some people's mind. Back then they did in fact save NOLA by purposely breaching the levees and flooding other parishs (I think specifically Plaquemines). Again... Yes stories do abound, but they actually get traction from past historical events. Even generations later, there are still people that passed down getting screwed (1927: NOLA officals telling homeowners they will purposely get flooded and then get paid market value on their property... Only to get pennies on the dollar after the fact) to later generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Obama not relevant. The president doesn't plan major relief operations. Wow, you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Wow, you think? He does. For those who can't do it for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 He does. For those who can't do it for themselves. Kind of like Limbaugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Kind of like Limbaugh. Good example, really. And for that matter Obama is even a better example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 US Response to Haiti (used links from Wiki) Updated 1/13 - 2 Coast Guard Cutters and a Navy Destroyer show up to evaluate the harbor. Looks like total of 4 C-130s show up to drop off Special Tactics personnel and supplies as well as evacuate others (2 CG and 2 AF but could be only two showed up). 1/14 - The Special Tactics guys get the airport operating 24/7. 1/15 - USS Carl Vinson (yay) shows up. 19 helicopters (there you go PJ), trained medical personal, 5000 crewman, and the ability to distill 400,000 gallons of water per day. Not sure how they will deliver this water, but hey. Looks like 2 more CG cutters showed up as well. 1/17 - Doesn't seem too many from the US showed up today. One quote about the airport (not necessarily the military's fault and I am sure they had a reason.) Doctors Without Borders said Sunday that a cargo plane carrying a field hospital was denied permission to land at the airport and had to be rerouted through the Dominican Republic — creating a 24-hour delay in setting up a crucial field hospital. Feel free to correct me wherever I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Aside from the OBVIOUS need to help people that are suffering, I prefer that we get to as many Hatians before the terrorists do. This is a breeding ground for recruitment- but that is secondary, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Bringing 45K to Florida? We already have homeless folks in Florida that need help. WTF are they going to house these folks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Bringing 45K to Florida? We already have homeless folks in Florida that need help. WTF are they going to house these folks? All those foreclosed condos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Obama not relevant. The president doesn't plan major relief operations. Then why did he go to Massachusetts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Then why did he go to Massachusetts? B+ for the thought, C- for the execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 B+ for the thought, C- for the execution. Me or Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Me or Obama? You. I wouldn't grade Obama that high on the Mass. election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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