DDD Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Lower than when Mike Mularkey walked away? Just maybe.
bills_fan Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Gerry, a friend of mine is a huge Jet fan, and he really does know and follow football. He is not at all sold on B. Schottenheimer, and said that many informed jet fans actually wanted him to leave. Still, the situation bugs me. I wanted this guy to come to town if for no other reason, because he has access to father. Hate to say it but I'm pissed off about this. Don't be. When we hire Russ Grimm as HC and you finally see the type of football you've been wanting to see for years (tough, hard-nosed, dominating running game and OL), you will count this day as a blessing.
Buftex Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Gerry, a friend of mine is a huge Jet fan, and he really does know and follow football. He is not at all sold on B. Schottenheimer, and said that many informed jet fans actually wanted him to leave. Still, the situation bugs me. I wanted this guy to come to town if for no other reason, because he has access to father. Hate to say it but I'm pissed off about this. Did your buddy Gerry take part in this? http://www.petitiononline.com/FBSJets/petition.html One man's treasure is another man's trash...sounds very familiar....
tennesseeboy Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 well B. Schottenheimer is aware he will be a hotter commodity the longer the Jets are in the playoffs. The Bills have gone through Phillips, Williams, Mularkey and Jauron in relatively short order. We will be losing major players to free agency, its unclear where the power for drafting and personnel will be, and the Bills owner is not long for this world and the then the new folks may move the franchise. I think B Shotts is waiting for an offer from a more viable franchise.
DDD Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 He doesnt want to leave NY period. Nothing to do with anything else. The Bills are the only team that DO play in NY.
Mike in Syracuse Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 The more I think about this, the more I realize how dumb some posters really are. The Jets have teh best oline in football and finished 20th in total offense. They finished 31st in passing, even behind the Bills high flying air attack. They ran the ball the most times in the NFL, almost 100 more times than the 2nd place team. This is a coach people are crying about not interviewing here??? Get a grip. Let's not forget the last two teams they played in the regular season basically rolled over for them yet they played their starters the entire game. San Diego is about to expose the fraud that is the NY Jets.
drg2021 Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Don't be. When we hire Russ Grimm as HC and you finally see the type of football you've been wanting to see for years (tough, hard-nosed, dominating running game and OL), you will count this day as a blessing. What if Russ Grimm says no thank you?
PushthePile Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Let's not forget the last two teams they played in the regular season basically rolled over for them yet they played their starters the entire game. San Diego is about to expose the fraud that is the NY Jets. Fraud? 1.Rookie Qb 2.First year head coach 3.Kris Jenkins played 6 games this season 4.Leon Washington played 7 games this season I'd love it if the Bills were a fraud next year.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Probably not. Realistically speaking, it most likely had more to do with Ralph's reputation as being somewhat frugile, his obvious mandate upon Nix that they wouldn't be spending as much and building through the draft, the lack of a quality QB, a relatively small market team and an uncertain future of the Bills mid to longterm viability. I think it does (and it is not just my opinion either). Not because Nix is a bad GM or a bad person, but because of the process that the team followed. It smacks of just another in a long line of knee-jerk decisions by the owner. The Bills didn't even interview outside of the organization, which was noted at the time and speaks volumes about their approach.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 so Fewell was the 3rd most desired? or was he the 2nd? He was promised an interview from the very beginning. That is, he was a distinct exception. The Bills are working the list from the top candidates down per Buddy Nix himself.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 My thoughts exactly. It may be that doesn't want to be interviewed while he's still working on putting together a game plan and planning for a game. If he just stated call me next week, he'd still have the media bugging him every hour. So by stating he's not interested, may be away to be left alone until next week, assuming they lose. So we're believing this one? It doesn't matter that Grimm and Cowher were said to initially turn us down and they were WRONG. Or does it matter that Lesile Fraizer was said to have turned down Seattle and once again they were WRONG. This one though we'll believe? Okay.
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Gerry, a friend of mine is a huge Jet fan, and he really does know and follow football. He is not at all sold on B. Schottenheimer, and said that many informed jet fans actually wanted him to leave. Still, the situation bugs me. I wanted this guy to come to town if for no other reason, because he has access to father. Hate to say it but I'm pissed off about this. It bothers me because if Buddy and Marty are so tight, and if Marty thought Buddy could rebuild the talent in Buffalo, he would advise Brian that it's a good situation. Maybe Marty doesn't talk to his son about football, but I'm a little concerned that an interview wasn't scheduled.
garbag3man Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 He was promised an interview from the very beginning. That is, he was a distinct exception. The Bills are working the list from the top candidates down per Buddy Nix himself. Right, but we still have to wait until coaches are done with their season, or we can actually interview them. So we can't just interview our favorite candidate if we didn't have permission or if we weren't able to by rule.
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 I think it does (and it is not just my opinion either). Not because Nix is a bad GM or a bad person, but because of the process that the team followed. It smacks of just another in a long line of knee-jerk decisions by the owner. The Bills didn't even interview outside of the organization, which was noted at the time and speaks volumes about their approach. Not for nothing, but aside from being employed by the team for like 10 months - Nix was an outsider. He was only here for the 2009 season...I do agree it would have been nice to see us interview people from other teams who had no or very little ties to us, but during the decade of disgrace - Nix had nothing to do with us and well..he found some awesome players for SD. Would anyones opinion change if he had not been employed with us during 2009 and then hired after? My point is is that I think most would have said, yeah he's old but he has a good track record of finding great players and in his presser he said a lot of things that the fans have been wanting. Just becuase he was employed by the bills for 10 months out of 10 years doesn't make him an "insider"... Alan Wilson even mentioned that Modrak wanted Cushing over Maybin. John Guy has even been on the record as saying that he provides recommendations and it is up to others within the organization to decide who they want to pursue and how much to offer (I cannot believe I am standing up for these two). It just really makes me realize that there is more to the picture than we care to believe. TD was an atrosicous GM/president, Marv was over his head as GM. We didn't draft great players with Williams, Mularkey or Jauron. I think there are lots of things that factor into someone's decision to come here or not to come here. TD made a lot of bone headed decisions and deserved to get shi*t canned. Marv went with a consensus approach to drafting and the results were about the same as the TD era. I think one thing that may have happened was that during this time too much final say was given to the HC. Marv was an HC and much like Parcells and other HCs want to be able to have a say as to who is on their team. After Marv, I am sure the same process went on and DJ most likely had final say. I find myself wondering how much of this decade is TD, Marv's and DJs fault and not so much of poor recommendations by Modrak and Guy. RW was the common denominator, but honestly how much say did he really have??? One thing I do want to toss in about B. Schotty is that I am not sure how I feel about a young and hungry up and coming coordinator, the kid is 36 yrs old and what exactly has he accomplished over a period of time either playing or coaching? Yes his father is a great regular season coach, but what has this kid done? I feel the same way about McDermott in Philly...I do not want Frazier, I am sick of a player's coach and someone who is Dungy/Jauron like laid-back; plus the Tampa 2 needs to go out the door. Russ Grimm is a more interesting choice, he has played on 3 SB teams, was a finalist for the Steelers job and has a good track record in coaching as well...Oh yeah he is a finalist for the HOF for thr 4th time...I think I just figured out who I would like to see as our coach...
Beerball Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 All of you negtive nancies, if you read the quotes, Schotty is very happy where he is and doesn't want to jump just to get the title. He said he is finally happy after along time. It's nothing to do with the Bills. Why do Bills fans have an inferiority complex? So, you think his answer would be the same if Jerry called from Dallas? You know better than that I think.
dave mcbride Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Since I think Frazier is the most attractive choice among the assistants by a substantial margin, I don't have a problem with this. Look at it this way -- Marvin Lewis went to Cincy when it seemed as if no one wanted to coach there because of the owner. He's a bona fide good coach, and the team is now stable despite the owner there. Perhaps Frazier can do the same -- he has a reasonably similar background. He was an assistant for a good defense (Philly), a run as coordinator for a weak defense (Cincy), and a coordinator for a good defense (Minnesota). Lewis was an assistant for a good defense (Pittsburgh), a coordinator for a terrible defense (Baltimore in 1996-1998), and a coordinator for a good defense (Baltimore from 1999-2001).
Texas Hots Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 It bothers me because if Buddy and Marty are so tight, and if Marty thought Buddy could rebuild the talent in Buffalo, he would advise Brian that it's a good situation. Maybe Marty doesn't talk to his son about football, but I'm a little concerned that an interview wasn't scheduled. The guy is happy where he is at at the time being. Also, again, that game against us was so terribly called that I am not sure we really want him anyways. OBD needs to do something soon but fans need to stop this self loathing. Buffalo is an NFL town and we will get a coach. Grimm is the man. GO BILLS
MDH Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Let's not forget the last two teams they played in the regular season basically rolled over for them yet they played their starters the entire game. San Diego is about to expose the fraud that is the NY Jets. Led the league in run D and run O. Have a rookie QB. Made it to the second round of playoffs. That team is not a fraud. They're solid everywhere but QB and with some experience that will likely be solid in another few years. That being said, SD will beat them soundly.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Right, but we still have to wait until coaches are done with their season, or we can actually interview them. So we can't just interview our favorite candidate if we didn't have permission or if we weren't able to by rule. Let's see, they interviewed Frazier, wanted to talk to Schottenheimer, want to talk to Grimm ... doesn't seem like a ridiculous amount of obstruction taking place. Add that teams can be asked for permission to interview coaches during the playoffs and this argument is rather wobbly.
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a feeling people not being enamored of Leslie Frazier is because he's a Tampa-2 disciple. Say hello to corners playing 15 yards off the line of scrimmage. We been dealing with the craptastic defense for 4 years now, and people don't want any more of it. Tampa 2 is awesome of you're a dome team or a warm weather team...which we're not. Actually, I think its much more effective if you have an offense that can score points. That way your lighter defense can run around and make plays instead of getting beat on. If you can't put teams in a position where they have to throw, T2 isn't particularly effective. Just look at the picks we had this year, and that was leading the league in rushing attempts against our defense.
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