San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 I think the likelihood of Kolb being moved by Philly is roughly equivalent to the Packers moving Rodgers two years ago. Not much.
MDH Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 People kill me. The Bills can't hire a coordinator for a HC because they've had failures in the past. They can't trade for a young QB because we've had failures in the past. These past failures have no bearing on future moves - when are people going to realize this? The failure of the Bills wasn't in bringing in a coordinator to be the HC it was brining in Williams and Mularky. Had they brought in John Fox or Marvin Lewis things might have been different. The problem wasn't trading for a young QB it was trading for RJ. Ask San Fran if they liked trading for Steve Young or if GB liked their trade for Brett Favre? Kolb might not end up being a good QB, there are no guarantees. But the "logic" behind someone not wanting him being "brining in a guy with 2 starts reminds me of RJ" just doesn't fly. Point to something in Kolb's game that makes you not want him, but please give a better argument than "too risky." As if giving up a 2nd round pick (or perhaps a 1st) for a guy who's been in the league a few years is somehow more risky than simply using the pick on an unproven college player with absolutely no NFL experience...
Chicago_Mike Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 People kill me. The Bills can't hire a coordinator for a HC because they've had failures in the past. They can't trade for a young QB because we've had failures in the past. These past failures have no bearing on future moves - when are people going to realize this? The failure of the Bills wasn't in bringing in a coordinator to be the HC it was brining in Williams and Mularky. Had they brought in John Fox or Marvin Lewis things might have been different. The problem wasn't trading for a young QB it was trading for RJ. Ask San Fran if they liked trading for Steve Young or if GB liked their trade for Brett Favre? Kolb might not end up being a good QB, there are no guarantees. But the "logic" behind someone not wanting him being "brining in a guy with 2 starts reminds me of RJ" just doesn't fly. Point to something in Kolb's game that makes you not want him, but please give a better argument than "too risky." As if giving up a 2nd round pick (or perhaps a 1st) for a guy who's been in the league a few years is somehow more risky than simply using the pick on an unproven college player with absolutely no NFL experience... Kolb, a second-rounder, has just as much playing experience as Brohm, also a second rounder. And Brohm was more highly regarded. Brohm not a risk? It's risky no matter how you cut it with both of them. And, once again, this is all moot. KOLB IS NOT LEAVING PHILLY. And, if you'd give up a first or second for Kolb, you're just talking stupidity -- his ONLY solid game ever was against KC at home. There are more AJ Feely, Rob Johnson, Scott Mitchell stories than there are Young/Favre stories. There is proof in history, and the ones who don't avoid it make the same mistakes over and over again.
Leonidas Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Kolb, a second-rounder, has just as much playing experience as Brohm, also a second rounder. And Brohm was more highly regarded. Brohm not a risk? It's risky no matter how you cut it with both of them. And, once again, this is all moot. KOLB IS NOT LEAVING PHILLY. And, if you'd give up a first or second for Kolb, you're just talking stupidity -- his ONLY solid game ever was against KC at home. There are more AJ Feely, Rob Johnson, Scott Mitchell stories than there are Young/Favre stories. There is proof in history, and the ones who don't avoid it make the same mistakes over and over again. That's a real argument. What MDH was referring to, I believe, was that we shouldn't go after him should he be available (which he won't) simply because Rob Johnson was also a good, young backup, and the situations have some anecdotal similarities.
Thurman#1 Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 The Eagles drafted Kolb in 2007 with an early 2nd round pick to be the heir to McNabb. Kolb has been groomed in their system for a few years, and when filling in for McNabb this year looks like the real deal. They are one of the most fortunate teams in the league to have a young QB in waiting who looks like he will be a solid QB for many years. They will NOT trade him. a mid round pick?? Come on. The McNabb years are almost over in Philadelphia. Yeah, can't see them trading him for a middle-round pick.
Thurman#1 Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Kolb, a second-rounder, has just as much playing experience as Brohm, also a second rounder. And Brohm was more highly regarded. Brohm not a risk? It's risky no matter how you cut it with both of them. And, once again, this is all moot. KOLB IS NOT LEAVING PHILLY. And, if you'd give up a first or second for Kolb, you're just talking stupidity -- his ONLY solid game ever was against KC at home. There are more AJ Feely, Rob Johnson, Scott Mitchell stories than there are Young/Favre stories. There is proof in history, and the ones who don't avoid it make the same mistakes over and over again. Really, Brohm has just as much playing experience as Brohm? Brohm's gone 79/130? Funny, I don't remember that. And Kolb has spent how much time on the pratice squad lately? And had how many years in the NFL? Guys can learn an awful lot from being a backup (see Aaron Rodgers). Brohm and Kolb is a horrible comparison, horrible. I do agree with you that Kolb isn't leaving Philly, though.
BRH Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 We should also consider that Reid may be saying McNabb is still the starter in order to drive up his price in a trade. If teams know Philly HAS to get rid of McNabb, they're not likely to offer as much.
zazie Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 We should also consider that Reid may be saying McNabb is still the starter in order to drive up his price in a trade. If teams know Philly HAS to get rid of McNabb, they're not likely to offer as much. I really like your Ruff/Mularkey comments from the same day! Nice.
BUFFALOTONE Posted January 12, 2010 Author Posted January 12, 2010 Kolb, a second-rounder, has just as much playing experience as Brohm, also a second rounder. And Brohm was more highly regarded. Brohm not a risk? It's risky no matter how you cut it with both of them. And, once again, this is all moot. KOLB IS NOT LEAVING PHILLY. And, if you'd give up a first or second for Kolb, you're just talking stupidity -- his ONLY solid game ever was against KC at home. There are more AJ Feely, Rob Johnson, Scott Mitchell stories than there are Young/Favre stories. There is proof in history, and the ones who don't avoid it make the same mistakes over and over again. Not even close buddy. Brohm hadn't sniffed a real game time situation until he was here. Where do you people get your comparisons. I know Brohm was a heralded QB coming out of Louisville but blowing his knee out and his apparent attitude problems lead to his fall down the ladder. I think he has a ton of talent but Kolb has shown enough to warrant a starting position in the NFL, Brohm hasn't. Now is Philly going to deal him?? Who knows, it was just a suggestion. Or should I have said lets go after Brady cause NE is on the downside and he could be available.....
Solomon Grundy Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Tarvaris Jackson would be my choice, he's been in an NFL offense for 4 years now (similar system to Kolb). He was unsuccessful in 2007 when he was forced to play before he was ready. Started the final 4 games of 2008 and finished the season with a QB rating of 95.4. Performed great in the preseason in 2009 and won the starting job over Sage Rose before Favre was signed. Has a great arm to play in the elements and mobility to make up somewhat for a below average line. Is a UFA if there is a new CBA, an RFA if not, but if Favre is coming back for next season i'm sure he will be looking to move on. A BLACK QB in Buffalo!! Maybe a NEGRO ONE that doesn't have to use their dialect, unless he wants to.
Chicago_Mike Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Not even close buddy. Brohm hadn't sniffed a real game time situation until he was here. Where do you people get your comparisons. I know Brohm was a heralded QB coming out of Louisville but blowing his knee out and his apparent attitude problems lead to his fall down the ladder. I think he has a ton of talent but Kolb has shown enough to warrant a starting position in the NFL, Brohm hasn't. Now is Philly going to deal him?? Who knows, it was just a suggestion. Or should I have said lets go after Brady cause NE is on the downside and he could be available..... He has started one game -- that's pretty much all Kolb has sniffed too, or do you want to count his 40.0 passer rating from the year before? I'm not saying that he might not be a good QB one day, but to suggest that he isn't really risky or is worth a first round pick is nuts. Two games doesn't prove anything in the NFL. Look what Derek Anderson did for like 10 games in Cleveland a couple years ago -- the second coming of Kosar they all were saying. Teams where all after him -- offering Cleveland all sorts of draft picks. Now look at him -- you couldn't even get a bag of footballs for him.
Chicago_Mike Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Really, Brohm has just as much playing experience as Brohm? Brohm's gone 79/130? Funny, I don't remember that. And Kolb has spent how much time on the pratice squad lately? And had how many years in the NFL? Guys can learn an awful lot from being a backup (see Aaron Rodgers). Brohm and Kolb is a horrible comparison, horrible. I do agree with you that Kolb isn't leaving Philly, though. Like there is a difference between one or three games or even a six for that matter. If he started a full year, then there is a debate. Not when your only playing time consists of two games against suspect passing defenses.
BUFFALOTONE Posted January 12, 2010 Author Posted January 12, 2010 He has started one game -- that's pretty much all Kolb has sniffed too, or do you want to count his 40.0 passer rating from the year before? I'm not saying that he might not be a good QB one day, but to suggest that he isn't really risky or is worth a first round pick is nuts. Two games doesn't prove anything in the NFL. Look what Derek Anderson did for like 10 games in Cleveland a couple years ago -- the second coming of Kosar they all were saying. Teams where all after him -- offering Cleveland all sorts of draft picks. Now look at him -- you couldn't even get a bag of footballs for him. Mike who said 1st round pick. I believe I said MID round in my OP. The guy has played or sat behind a Qb and HC in a very successful offense. His upside and Brohms are 2 totally different things.
csa_10 Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Does Schotty Jr. try to bring Kellen Clemens with him as a stop gap? I don't love the idea but seems like a possibility based on their background together. Also wouldn't rule out Pennington...
mousetrap08 Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 He has started one game -- that's pretty much all Kolb has sniffed too, or do you want to count his 40.0 passer rating from the year before? I'm not saying that he might not be a good QB one day, but to suggest that he isn't really risky or is worth a first round pick is nuts. Two games doesn't prove anything in the NFL. Look what Derek Anderson did for like 10 games in Cleveland a couple years ago -- the second coming of Kosar they all were saying. Teams where all after him -- offering Cleveland all sorts of draft picks. Now look at him -- you couldn't even get a bag of footballs for him. Any QB I think is a crap shoot it's a matter of what QB fits into the system you are running. look what Favre did for the Jets last year and what he is doing for the Vikings now it's like night and day.
Red Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 would rather have mcnabb than kolb at this point -- even though it won't happen. kolb could turn into a rob johnson situation and set us back a few years. yes, kolb played well this year when mcnabb went down, but remember those brilliant games johnson had in jacksonville? too risky for me. I defer to the experts actually doing the scouting and drafting. Heck, even those guys can't get it right. I'm hesitant to mortgage the future to pay for today.
Max997 Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 I know he is being groomed as the heir apparent in Philly but Reid just came out and said Donovan is his guy in 2010. Kolb may want to play now and he is a proven cold weather QB who has an excellent arm. Any QB in the Reid system is a huge plus for this team. Is he worth a mid-round pick. I would gladly take a guy who has played some NFL snaps already over a rook. Thoughts from the peanut gallery? how exactly is Kolb a proven cold weather QB? i hope you are not referring to those two starts he got this year in September in Philly why would the Eagles trade their heir apparent to McNabb who they used a high second round pick on for a mid-round pick?
Max997 Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 would rather have mcnabb than kolb at this point -- even though it won't happen. kolb could turn into a rob johnson situation and set us back a few years. yes, kolb played well this year when mcnabb went down, but remember those brilliant games johnson had in jacksonville? too risky for me. I remember Rob Johnson having one good game with Jax, dont think there were more then that why would you rather have McNabb? I would agree if the Bills were a QB away from competing but putting McNabb on this team would be pointless and if he does get traded out of Philly Im guesing he would want to go to a contender
Chicago_Mike Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 I remember Rob Johnson having one good game with Jax, dont think there were more then that why would you rather have McNabb? I would agree if the Bills were a QB away from competing but putting McNabb on this team would be pointless and if he does get traded out of Philly Im guesing he would want to go to a contender i'm just saying if i had to pick one of the two it would be mcnabb. actually, don't want either. you're right on johnson, but jax played their cards right w/ him and made him seem like he was the next brunnell, nevermind they had a a great o-line, running back and receiving tandem at the time. and, it also goes to show, how a qb can do well when there's no real tape of them playing yet. i think that had to do a lot w/ the success kolb had w/ his two games this year.
Leonidas Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Does Schotty Jr. try to bring Kellen Clemens with him as a stop gap? I don't love the idea but seems like a possibility based on their background together. Also wouldn't rule out Pennington... Ewwww x 2. Pennington's throwing shoulder is in complete disrepair, and Kellen Clemens is horrible. The thought of having a Schottenheimer coaching our team is bad enough...
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