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Please, Billick had almost nothing to do with that 2000 Ravens defense. If you actually read a little about Billick, you would realize that he gets almost no credit for the performance of the defense. The Ravens were already great on defense before he came. He was hired because the Ravens offense was absolutely terrible, and was given a lot of power to choose his QB and offensive personnel. The Ravens offense never finished above 14th in his NINE YEARS that he was in Baltimore.

 

For a guy with an offensive background, that is an absolutely awful track record.

 

 

But you can go ahead and keep attributing that Super Bowl win to Billick, but then again, you can remain oblivious.

 

Baltimore's offense is already better than it was during Billick's entire 9 year run in Baltimore.

Dude, you are the king of presenting specualtion as fact. You have no idea what the drafting responsibilities of the Baltimore Ravens are and you have no idea what Billick meant to the Ravens success. It's strange that such a worthless coach was kept for 9 seasons. The Ravens owner said at the time he was fired, that it was the toughest football decision he ever had to make. 9 seasons 4 playoffs 1 superbowl

 

 

..... what a loser.

 

Two more points to consider.

 

1. Brian Billick changed his offense significantly given the defense he was blessed with and the lack of talent he had on offense.

 

2. The Ravens had three losing seasons prior to Billick being hired.

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Just one more point, You can't run/own a franchise "scared" anymore than you can coach a team "scared." Nothing we've done in the past month or so says "Bold & Gutsy" - just doing "What we know."

 

The Browns now have Holmgren and Heckert in their FO. That's smart & bold. Same rust belt city, same kind of fans. A very different owner.

 

Can you run a team with an ownership "trust"? ;-)

 

C

 

Amen.

 

And for the record, where do most teams that run the T2 play? MIN and IND both play in domes, and Chicago's defense hasn't been stellar for awhile now in the cold weather. Outside of that, no one else plays the T2. And even though it's not a guarantee he'll coach the T2, they have the personnel and it would take a total rebuild on defense to convert to a 3-4 and great effort to go with a 4-3.

 

That's why I don't want a guy versed in the T2. At least when Tomlin took over the Steelers, he was wise enough to let Dick Lebeau maintain his great 3-4.

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I can't believe how many people are swallowing this leak hook, line and sinker. If the Bills really were excited by Leslie Frazier and had real designs on him as their next coach, don't you think they'd keep their yaps shut about it? Yet they go out and scream it to the world?

 

I read it as an obvious effort to tell Cowher to think real hard about the offer the Bills gave him.

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Dude, you are the king of presenting specualtion as fact. You have no idea what the drafting responsibilities of the Baltimore Ravens are and you have no idea what Billick meant to the Ravens success. It's strange that such a worthless coach was kept for 9 seasons. The Ravens owner said at the time he was fired, that it was the toughest football decision he ever had to make. 9 seasons 4 playoffs 1 superbowl

 

 

..... what a loser.

 

Two more points to consider.

 

1. Brian Billick changed his offense significantly given the defense he was blessed with and the lack of talent he had on offense.

 

2. The Ravens had three losing seasons prior to Billick being hired.

You are the king of not knowing what you are talking about. Brian Billick drafted Kyle Boller. That is a fact. Ozzie Newsome did NOT want Kyle Boller, but Billick lobbied hard enough to get him. This is well documented.

 

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/baltsun/access...mp;pqatl=google

 

Billick had significant control over offensive personnel, as he was able to out rule his GM on several players.

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I was refering to the typicall defensive philisophy of the tampa 2 scheme. Which typically relies on smallish quick athletic defensive polayers. It is not a universal though. We really do not know if Frazier likes bigger defensive players or not, becasue he does not make the personal decisions in Minnesota.

You might be thinking of Mary Levy's idea of a Tampa 2. He was enamored by watching Tommy Harris play the middle when looking at the Bear games. Keep in mind Tampa had Warren Sapp and Booger McFarland in the middle of the original Tampa 2 which is basically a cover 2 defense.

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Want a experienced HC that has won super bowls, anybody got a flashlight and some shovels we could go and dig up Tom Landry or Vince Lombardi. Can't be any stiffer than RW or any other coach that he has hired in the last 10 years

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I can't believe how many people are swallowing this leak hook, line and sinker. If the Bills really were excited by Leslie Frazier and had real designs on him as their next coach, don't you think they'd keep their yaps shut about it? Yet they go out and scream it to the world?

 

I read it as an obvious effort to tell Cowher to think real hard about the offer the Bills gave him.

 

This is true since Frazier probably already turned them down already.

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Hey, Ralphie did an exhaustive search for a "GENERAL MANAGER OF FOOOOOOTBALLLLL"... he walked down the hallwway...

 

 

exactly the problem. nix was the wrong choice. now the wrong choice is about to open the door to another wrong choice.

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You are the king of not knowing what you are talking about. Brian Billick drafted Kyle Boller. That is a fact. Ozzie Newsome did NOT want Kyle Boller, but Billick lobbied hard enough to get him. This is well documented.

 

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/baltsun/access...mp;pqatl=google

 

Billick had significant control over offensive personnel, as he was able to out rule his GM on several players.

Nice link it proves nothing. So it speculates Billick preferred Boller over Ozzie's choice of Leftwich, BFD. This is all speculation as well and hardly proves your point that Billick had "significant control" over the offensive personnel.

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Nice link it proves nothing. So it speculates Billick preferred Boller over Ozzie's choice of Leftwich. BFD. This is all speculation as well and hardly proves your point that Billick had "significant control" over the offensive personnel.

There is no speculation there. You can go through the news articles from 2003, and guess what you will find? All of them attribute Brian Billick to drafting Kyle Boller. You know what else you will find? No language which suggests speculation. They all clearly state it, without words such as "We are hearing" or "my opinion is that"... etc.

 

 

You can argue all you want about this, but there is evidence for my side, and none for yours.

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I'm pretty sure it is joke but Fingon often gets himself worked up over idle speculation.

Yeah, and Jay Cutler is a great QB. We had the exact same debate, with you passing off every single piece of evidence that Cutler wasn't that good as worthless.

 

 

You can't look behind numbers, and analyze players/coaches.

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Dude, you are the king of presenting specualtion as fact. You have no idea what the drafting responsibilities of the Baltimore Ravens are and you have no idea what Billick meant to the Ravens success. It's strange that such a worthless coach was kept for 9 seasons. The Ravens owner said at the time he was fired, that it was the toughest football decision he ever had to make. 9 seasons 4 playoffs 1 superbowl

 

 

..... what a loser.

 

Two more points to consider.

 

1. Brian Billick changed his offense significantly given the defense he was blessed with and the lack of talent he had on offense.

 

2. The Ravens had three losing seasons prior to Billick being hired.

I thought Billick was an OK coach. He won the superbowl by making solid adjustments during the season to just get points on the board and letting his defense take over.

He then followed it up by making one of the dumbest moves ever by letting Dilfer go.

When Marvin Lewis left he promoted Rex Ryan to keep his defense together which was smart.

Then his ego would not let him admit he made a mistake with Kyle Boller. Boller was the real reason he lost his job.

He lobbied to get Steve McNair in which seemed to be a smart move for a year.

His fate was sealed when he made bad decisions in the game that gave Miami it only victory in their 1-15 season.

 

Billick is a smart guy but sometimes he tends to think he is above listening to anyone else.

If he has learned from his experiences he would be just as good as Cower maybe better.

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Yeah, and Jay Cutler is a great QB. We had the exact same debate, with you passing off every single piece of evidence that Cutler wasn't that good as worthless.

 

 

You can't look behind numbers, and analyze players/coaches.

Still bitter about Trent Edwards?

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