tonyd19 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 But those weren't your original points. Your original points were that Leslie Frazier prefers small players to big players even though the defense he currently coaches is comprised of big players. The second point was that the Bills wouldn't be able to attract large football players and would have to settle for smaller players even if they wanted bigger players, thus making the ridiculous inference that all big football players are good players and all small football players are bad players and every single team is looking for the exact same type of players. Those are the original points you made and the ones I disputed. Stop trying to make sense after the fact. Ok I'll explain this as simply as possible. I said the Tampa 2 scheme typically relies on smallish players. I also said, we don't know what Frazier would do in personel decisions because he has no track record for actually aquiring players. Regarding large and small players, it is not great mystery that good football players are coveted despite their size. I would love to see my post where I said "BIG PLAYERS GOOOOOD.......SMALL PLAYERS BAAAAD." I will say that the smaller players on defense tend to get injured more, at least in Buffalo. I don't think anyone would dispute that. Get your facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 So, you guys would rather have a proven failure (Brian Billick) than an unknown coordinator that many people speak highly of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 According to PFT, the Seahawks have spent the last 4 hours with our future head coach. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ver-four-hours/ That's nice of them to pretend like they actually want to hire the guy...but hands off! He's our future failure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd19 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 really? the Williams boys would beg to differ. I was refering to the typicall defensive philisophy of the tampa 2 scheme. Which typically relies on smallish quick athletic defensive polayers. It is not a universal though. We really do not know if Frazier likes bigger defensive players or not, becasue he does not make the personal decisions in Minnesota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever Since '86 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Right... I'll believe it when I see it...Otherwise He's still 149-90-1, and 12-9 in The Playoffs... Dont get me wrong he should be a HoF coach down the road, but when I lived in Pburgh I got alot of Cowher. You can't take anything away from the man and I know i'll get guff for this but the fact he only won 1 SB is unreal to me. The Steelers have pretty much always been stable and thats not because of bill cowher. Cowher's personality as a coach just isnt right for us anymore, he's a different guy now with different goals and motives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 So, you guys would rather have a proven failure (Brian Billick) than an unknown coordinator that many people speak highly of? A proven failure to the tune of a Super Bowl ring and 4 playoff appearances in 9 seasons? Sure, sign me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd19 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 So, you guys would rather have a proven failure (Brian Billick) than an unknown coordinator that many people speak highly of? Proven failure with a super bowl ring? You can say what you want about Billik, but as they say....look at the scoreboard and then complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 DID he get blown away because Cowher is taking too long or worst yet might go in different direction. Only way someone can get blown away in my book is if they have the Top offensive & defensive assistants in their pocket...........Bills nation isnt stupid . We had a chance at Marvin Lewis who let his defense blow us away in the Super Bowl with a lame QB . We instead pick a Greg Williams who blew the GM away in an interview . Thanks Frasier but no thanks Marvin Lewis did not want the job. He didn't like the school system in B-Lo and other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 So, you guys would rather have a proven failure (Brian Billick) than an unknown coordinator that many people speak highly of? If by proven failure you mean a guy with a 80-64 regular season record and a 5-3 playoff record, 2 division championships, 1 conference championship and 1 Superbowl championship to his credit...then yes, I'd very much like to acquire said failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 A proven failure to the tune of a Super Bowl ring and 4 playoff appearances in 9 seasons? Sure, sign me up. If you really think Billick had anything to do with those Raven teams winning, you really need to watch more football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 So, you guys would rather have a proven failure (Brian Billick) than an unknown coordinator that many people speak highly of? Failure? 80-64 in 9 Seasons as a HC...5-3 in the Playoffs...One Super Bowl Ring...Made the Playoffs 4 out of 9 Seasons (Billick went 9-7 and 8-8 once each...He really only had two bad Seasons with his worst being 5-11 in 07 when things kinda fell apart). The guy is rumored to be a pretty arrogant prick...But failure? Not so much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fewell733 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 calling Billick a failure is dumb. I'd be happy to hire him. I'd also be ok with Frazier if he's honest about bringing in a serious offensive staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabres...yawn Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 So, you guys would rather have a proven failure (Brian Billick) than an unknown coordinator that many people speak highly of? Please impose a 24 hour ban on yourself for the above remark. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 If you really think Billick had anything to do with those Raven teams winning, you really need to watch more football. He was the HC...He delegated well enough...He deserves credit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 If you really think Billick had anything to do with those Raven teams winning, you really need to watch more football. So we should only be considering coaches who have won a lot of games with crappy players? And who exactly would fit that criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 He was the HC...He delegated well enough...He deserves credit... Yeah, he said: "You guys are the greatest defense of all time, go out and play." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 He was the HC...He delegated well enough...He deserves credit... And a load of his assistants went on to become HC's. The guy knows how to put together a staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Yeah, these two can't possibly be any different at all. Maybe Fewell can even sell Frazier his rap records and show him some good fried chicken places on his way out of town. Wow..... I cant even beleive you posted that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 should just keep fewell if they want a def guy who runs a tampa 2 defense and never coached before . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 If you really think Billick had anything to do with those Raven teams winning, you really need to watch more football. Right, because you know he didn't. Learned that from watching Ravens games , huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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