Big Turk Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 jimmy johnson did ok in dallas Yeah, he and Bill Walsh are the names always bandied about by everyone...how many college coaches have tried the NFL and 2 have succeeded? Horrible percentage... Owners would have a better percentage of winning the lottery...
Mike in Syracuse Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 Yeah, he and Bill Walsh are the names always bandied about by everyone...how many college coaches have tried the NFL and 2 have succeeded? Horrible percentage... Owners would have a better percentage of winning the lottery... Let's not forget the amazing (cough) coaching job Barry Switzer did!
47Yards Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 a lot of money for a guy who is going to suck again as an NFL coach. Carroll is great at recruiting. There is no recruiting in the NFL. He is NOT a good NFL coach...huge difference between pro and college coaching. Why NFL teams cannot understand you have a 20x better chance of hiring a good coach that is a coordinator instead of the best college coach is beyond me... Saban to Miami---fail Spurrier to Washington---fail Petrino to Atlanta---fail Davis to Cleveland---fail Carroll to Seattle---will fail He's 33-31 as an NFL head coach. Being over .500, I think, makes him at least a good NFL coach. Dicky J, by comparison, is 60-82 for career, and 35-45 w/ Chicago, 24-33 w/ Buffalo.
sharper802 Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 a lot of money for a guy who is going to suck again as an NFL coach. Carroll is great at recruiting. There is no recruiting in the NFL. He is NOT a good NFL coach...huge difference between pro and college coaching. Why NFL teams cannot understand you have a 20x better chance of hiring a good coach that is a coordinator instead of the best college coach is beyond me... Saban to Miami---fail Spurrier to Washington---fail Petrino to Atlanta---fail Davis to Cleveland---fail Carroll to Seattle---will fail Carroll has a slightly above .500 record as a HC in the NFL already, where he was hired after being a good coordinator. None of the other guys had NFL HC experience with I believe only Saban some NFL experience(Cleveland LB's coach I think before going to Michigan State).
papazoid Posted January 9, 2010 Author Posted January 9, 2010 i do see this deal as complicating the bills signing cowher......Carroll is also getting the title of President....giving him FINAL SAY on draft picks etc... bill cowher who might have been willing to accept less power with buffalo, is probably having second thoughts now.
Kingfish Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 In related news Carroll agrees to be paid 14 million not to coach from 2013-2014.
CardinalScotts Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 Johnson only did well prior to the salary cap and Jerry Jones bought the best talent available- when the cap came in Jimmy jumped ship = wasn't so good
truth on hold Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 Yeah, he and Bill Walsh are the names always bandied about by everyone...how many college coaches have tried the NFL and 2 have succeeded? Horrible percentage... Owners would have a better percentage of winning the lottery... how many coaches from whatever channel have succeeded?
apuszczalowski Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 didn't they know Cowher was available??????????? People here complain that Buffalos front office/ownership is bad, but Seattle didn't even attempt to go after St. Cowher.
Kingfish Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 didn't they know Cowher was available??????????? People here complain that Buffalos front office/ownership is bad, but Seattle didn't even attempt to go after St. Cowher. I was reading a Seahawks board yesterday when the news broke and they were all excited over the possibility of Cowher. I wonder what they think of Carroll.
BigdaddyinOrlando Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 Pete Carroll Accepts offer: http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...seahawks-offer/ Agreed. Was my first thought when i heard the possible connection. Now what remains to be seen is if they have to forfit anything major.
BillsfaninFl Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 didn't they know Cowher was available??????????? People here complain that Buffalos front office/ownership is bad, but Seattle didn't even attempt to go after St. Cowher. Maybe Seattle wasn't trying to placate their fans into thinking that they made an honest effort to get a big name coach. Someone on this board made a good point months ago (when the Shanahan rumors were flying around), that this is just a ploy by the organization, which will eventually take a lesser individual and say, "well we tried."
jack_spikes Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 I think Seattle, Cleveland, and Washington have acted impetuously, and will come to regret that they didn't take the time, like the Bills, to conduct a thorough, methodical, thorough, methodical, thorough, methodical..., see if Russ and Ralph their names, or anything about them, "type" search.
dhg Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 a lot of money for a guy who is going to suck again as an NFL coach. Carroll is great at recruiting. There is no recruiting in the NFL. He is NOT a good NFL coach...huge difference between pro and college coaching. Why NFL teams cannot understand you have a 20x better chance of hiring a good coach that is a coordinator instead of the best college coach is beyond me... Saban to Miami---fail Spurrier to Washington---fail Petrino to Atlanta---fail Davis to Cleveland---fail Carroll to Seattle---will fail Agree 100%
apuszczalowski Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 I think Seattle, Cleveland, and Washington have acted impetuously, and will come to regret that they didn't take the time, like the Bills, to conduct a thorough, methodical, thorough, methodical, thorough, methodical..., see if Russ and Ralph their names, or anything about them, "type" search. but Bills fans would have been overjoyed if Cowher, or Shanahan accepted the job right after DJ was fired and the Bills interviewed no one else cause then they would have got "their" man. Why are the Redskins going to regret Shanahan, he was a guy Bills fans were all over when the Bills went after him. Like him or not (and I personally don't), I don't think Cleveland made a mistake keeping mangini for another year, they finished the season playing some very good football and he deserved to keep his job for atleast another year. You may be correct with Seattle though, but Carroll was obviously the reason why they fired Mora, he was the guy they wanted all along
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 Yeah, he and Bill Walsh are the names always bandied about by everyone...how many college coaches have tried the NFL and 2 have succeeded? Horrible percentage... Owners would have a better percentage of winning the lottery... Dick Vermeil was a very successful head coach at UCLA. Let's not forget the amazing (cough) coaching job Barry Switzer did! There are exceptions to any trend. The wisdom is in spotting who will succeed. I'm not a big Carroll fan. But conventional and dogmatic thinking ("Never hire a college head coach as an NFL head coach") isn't a guarantee of success. There are plenty of coordinators who have failed as head coaches too. There are also plenty of NFL head coaches who failed in their first and second attempts. Matter and Mike, you make it sound as if you think you can follow a few simple rules and as a result, be successful. The bottom line is that it's hard to succeed as a coach in the NFL, whichever route was taken.
Red Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...-year-35m-deal/ sure seems like the market for a head coach is set. EDIT: http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...seahawks-offer/ You know, in some way I think that is a major bummer for college football, and for USC. Carroll built a great program in SoCal, and he has created a modern day legacy that should he remain could mirror the legacies of Joe Paterno of Penn State and Bowden in FSU. 60 minutes did an interesting piece on Carroll a couple of seasons ago, and Carroll seemed completely fulfilled in the college game and at USC. He never succeeded in the NFL because his antics and behavior are better suited to college football players, and not professionals. Carroll coached at New England, and with the Jets. Both teams under his watch both suffered from a general lack of direction, and once he left those clubs each time the players sighed relief that both he and his collegiate atmosphere were gone. Seattle is on the West Coast, not too far from California, and I could see Carroll having a place in his heart still reserved for the Pro game and wanting to make it right. I just don't think that he ever will. Too bad for USC, and too bad for the NFL and Seahawks.
Steely Dan Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 Yeah, he and Bill Walsh are the names always bandied about by everyone...how many college coaches have tried the NFL and 2 have succeeded? Horrible percentage... Owners would have a better percentage of winning the lottery... If I heard that Buffalo had signed him I would be disappointed. 10-1 odds he never gets past the first round of the playoffs.
macaroni Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 didn't they know Cowher was available??????????? People here complain that Buffalos front office/ownership is bad, but Seattle didn't even attempt to go after St. Cowher. It kills me how quick people on this board read between the lines of anything to predict doom and gloom for the Bills ... but nobody has jumped on the theory that the Seahawks may have contacted Cowher covertly to gauge his interest and Cowher told them no thanks he was probably going to the Bills. I'm not saying this is what happened ... just saying it's funny that now one mentioned it ... now that I've mentioned it ... it is no longer funny thank you very much
Dan Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 didn't they know Cowher was available??????????? People here complain that Buffalos front office/ownership is bad, but Seattle didn't even attempt to go after St. Cowher. What's really bad about the Seatle FO is that they gave Mora just 1 year to do something with the team before dumping him and going with the next big thing.
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