John Cocktosten Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 He's a good safety when healthy. He certainly is a much better pick than Ted Ginn and the Fins made the playoffs. Yes, Whitner isn't a superstar. But to single him out when they are so many other problems with the team, especially QB, is dumb IMO. Again, read the thread's title. You've given your answer, "He's good, he just (excuse here)."
pioniere Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Whitner's selection was a major error. The Bills desperately needed a DT and both Haloti Ngata and Broderick Bunkley were sitting there when their pick came. Instead, the Bills reached for the 2nd rated SS in the draft after the Raiders took the top SS candidate (michael Huff) a pick or two earlier. Now, I won't say that Whitner was a major major reach, but the Bills had no business picking a safety when the two top DTs (THE position of need for them) were sitting on the board. What do you suppose the Bills would need to package with Whitner to get Ngata now? (I'd venture to say a 1st and Whitner might get us Ngata). Too bad, blown opportunity. I watched Ngata play when he was with the Ducks. He was a force, and was the guy I wanted the Bills to draft. Instead they took Whitner. Ngata was just named to the Pro Bowl. 'Nuff said.
Orton's Arm Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Now, I won't say that Whitner was a major major reach, I would! but the Bills had no business picking a safety when the two top DTs (THE position of need for them) were sitting on the board. Agreed. Either Ngata, Cutler, or trading down with Denver would have represented much better options than using the 8th overall pick on a backup safety.
Orton's Arm Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 He's a good safety when healthy. He certainly is a much better pick than Ted Ginn and the Fins made the playoffs. Yes, Whitner isn't a superstar. But to single him out when they are so many other problems with the team, especially QB, is dumb IMO. Donte Whitner was chosen 8th overall, which makes him the highest draft pick the Bills have had since 2002. High draft position and a high level of scrutiny go together. Any discussion of Marv's drafting failures should begin with Donte Whitner.
John Cocktosten Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 Could Dante bulk up and play LB? We need a secondary coach, can he coach?
Malazan Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Could Dante bulk up and play LB? No, but he could dress down and play cheerleader
John Cocktosten Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 No, but he could dress down and play cheerleader security maybe? He does have experience with a taser.
Pete Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Oh I forgot we are hating. Sorry to try and ask a football question. Go back to running our players out of town
DDD Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 beating the horse man.... Hes barely been of age to drink alcohol, this isn't the NBA. In 3 years i'll accept the bust card if he's not beasting it by then which he will be. Are you seriously telling me the bills would draft maybin again if they could turn back time? The guy would have been cut in minicamp if not for his 1st round status.
DanInUticaTampa Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 Via Whitner's Twitter: "Hey twitter reporters....report this...."I'm GOOD"! "
NewEra Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 I would normally agree with you but with Maybin, the writing is on the wall. He's stiff, shows no explosion off of the ball, zero instincts, skinny and looks completely lost. It's alright for a rookie QB to look lost, but the NFL has had plenty of pass rushers who come in and make an immediate impact becuase there is no thinking when you're rushing the passer. It's all about getting off of the ball and beating the man who is standing in front of you. Maybin got owned by every tackle, he didn't sniff the QB. This conversation can only go so far, but check back with me next year when he still looks the same. shhhh. just shhhh!
benderbender Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 We didn't need a saftey then, and he's proven to be just that: an inconvenience. The most memorable Whitner moments are: in 2008 when he chased down a Raiders receiver in the endzone just to hit him late and get flagged this year when he actually made a pick that meant something I desperately would like to be proven otherwise. DW's got one year to shine, or he'll be trade bait
StupidNation Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 Whitner's time is over, he'll never be worth playing over Wilson or Byrd. He's not worth the $. Now if we cut him and re-signed him to vet minimum I'd be on board with that. I did call cutting Whitner in pre-season. Anyone who had eyes noticed the huge difference in coverage on Gates with Donte or with Scott covering him. Donte is just that bad in coverage. Decent to good with the run, but not a starter, and certainly a bust.
LGB Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 What about John Guy, who has been Bills pro personnel director since Donahoe brought him here in 2001 and his fellow vice president, Tom Modrak? Were they part of the recent house-cleaning? Not sure how you can draft Whitners and Maybins and not get booted along with the rest of the staff?
Thurman#1 Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 To say Whitner was the second best SS prospect implies that he was a first round prospect because of Huff's overrated status. That's not the case. For the most part Whitner was not considered even first round material, let alone #8 overall. And not to split hairs, because I mostly agree with what you say, but I don't think the Ravens would trade Ngata for our top ten pick straight up. Donte is less than worthless in a trade because of his high base salary because of his overdrafted status. He's making more than Ngata! Whitner wasn't expected to be a first-rounder? Draft King #31 to Seattle http://www.draftking.com/nfl/2006/mockdraft.shtml ESPN #27 to the Panthers http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2423861 walterfootball #31 to Seattle http://walterfootball.com/draft2006.php Those were the first three I checked. He was expected to be a first-rounder but to go late in the round.
zazie Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 Whitner wasn't expected to be a first-rounder? Draft King #31 to Seattle http://www.draftking.com/nfl/2006/mockdraft.shtml ESPN #27 to the Panthers http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2423861 walterfootball #31 to Seattle http://walterfootball.com/draft2006.php Those were the first three I checked. He was expected to be a first-rounder but to go late in the round. So by the best account, we overpicked him by 19 picks. Instead of taking rthe guy that surprisingly FELL to us, Ngata, we went way the other direction. Is Marv avail to take over as head coach this go round?
Thurman#1 Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 Agreed. With a roster that is so talent depleted, why in the hell would you cut a guy who is one of your top 10 players. The problem with Lynch is that he's a rythm guy. Last year was a perfect example, he got the ball a ton down the stretch and played very well. I wish he didn't drop every other ball thrown his way though. Trade him for nothing less than a 2nd or a 1st round trade up piece, otherwise he is a great backup. Yeah, I think that's right. Lynch needs the ball a lot to show what he's got.
LGB Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 Yeah, I think that's right. Lynch needs the ball a lot to show what he's got. If Lynch can stay focused, he and Jackson can be a great combo. Maybe not in the same class as Peterson and Chester Taylor or Johnson and Lendale White, but you get the idea...
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