John Cocktosten Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 You left one of Marv Levy's failures out : Dick Mauron A Marv Levy "failure list" is not complete unless the name Mccargo is invoked
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 The Whitner coaching excuse holds no water. None. He has been outplayed by a street free agent and a WR at SS and a rookie at FS. Wendling is a better special teams player. That sub-4.4 40 time is a joke. Was he timed by his agent for that? His world class speed comes when he is fired out of a cannon at the circus.
Rico Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 The Whitner coaching excuse holds no water. None. He has been outplayed by a street free agent and a WR at SS and a rookie at FS. Wendling is a better special teams player. That sub-4.4 40 time is a joke. Was he timed by his agent for that? His world class speed comes when he is fired out of a cannon at the circus.
Ever Since '86 Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 So if he's just a young guy why don't the Bills go to the Rivals 100 and draft the top DE out of high school? Erie Bills, PSU fan I'm guessing. Poz is a top MLB too right? Maurice Evans was twice the player Maybin was. Maybin, like Donte will be a bust...unfortunately. Yupp am a PSU fan, Love the prospect of Maybin.. just not for a 1st rounder but it's way to soon to judge. Poz needs to be moved to his natural position which is OLB and watch him fly to the ball.. but that's a whole nother discussion.
John Cocktosten Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 Yupp am a PSU fan, Love the prospect of Maybin.. just not for a 1st rounder but it's way to soon to judge. Poz needs to be moved to his natural position which is OLB and watch him fly to the ball.. but that's a whole nother discussion. Mo Evans has a better shot of becoming a solid player.
tyklip Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 The Whitner coaching excuse holds no water. None. He has been outplayed by a street free agent and a WR at SS and a rookie at FS. Wendling is a better special teams player. That sub-4.4 40 time is a joke. Was he timed by his agent for that? His world class speed comes when he is fired out of a cannon at the circus. that's combine time. electronic. so your joke, as clever as you think it is, is completely wrong. So....
bananathumb Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Even Cary Harris, in his first game, is better than the #8 pick. Thanks, Levy.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 that's combine time. electronic. so your joke, as clever as you think it is, is completely wrong. So.... It helps your point if you know what you are talking about. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dspro...6&genpos=SS The sub-4.4 time was his Pro Day. The combine uses manual start and electronic finish for timing. It is well understood that this can skew results in favor of the athlete. I've seen players that timed in the 4.5s at the combine run away from Donte Whitner on the football field. Even if he was only a whisker slower than Chris Johnson on a track in Indianapolis once upon a time, doesn't mean that speed translates to his play.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 You guys are right. Donte Whitner single handedly is the reason we haven't made the playoffs in a decade. It's not Edwards or Losman's fault. It's not underachieving olinemen. It's Donte Whitner's fault alone.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 ive held out hope for years. ive given him every benefit of the doubt that i could come up with. but after watching Byrd, Scott, and Wilson outplay him at every opportunity, I'm done as well. he'd be a good backup if we could re-sign him real cheap. if not, see ya.
Endless Ike Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Don't underscore the coaching aspect of it though...some of these guys could be shades better with coaching. Also Maybin is a youngster and is still learning to play the game. A DE who plays only in a rushing situation is literally the easiest position on the field...if he needs to be taught how to use a swim move or club by better coaches then he's a bust
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 You guys are right. Donte Whitner single handedly is the reason we haven't made the playoffs in a decade. It's not Edwards or Losman's fault. It's not underachieving olinemen. It's Donte Whitner's fault alone. Nice. I am as disappointed with Whitner as any Bills fan, but I also think that most of the internet heroes snarking on "Lil Donte" would curl up in a little ball and cry if confronted with him. Can we discuss player weaknesses without the idiotic chest-thumping?
John Cocktosten Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 You guys are right. Donte Whitner single handedly is the reason we haven't made the playoffs in a decade. It's not Edwards or Losman's fault. It's not underachieving olinemen. It's Donte Whitner's fault alone. I believe the thread says , "Are there still any believers?" Not, "Donte is the reason why the Bills suck". Now the selection of DW by our joke of a FO certainly led to the tailspin that the Bills are currently in. It sounds like you still won't admit that he's just not what you thought he was going to be.
WordByrd Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Donte was def drafted too early BUT did you see him against the run? He plays the run very very well. His pass coverage could use some work, just like jairus' run D needs help. People just look at Jairus as way better than D-White because INT's are more flashy and exciting than stopping the run
John Cocktosten Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 I am as disappointed with Whitner as any Bills fan, but I also think that most of the internet heroes snarking on "Lil Donte" would curl up in a little ball and cry if confronted with him. Can we discuss player weaknesses without the idiotic chest-thumping? How come everything with you people from Philly comes down to a fight? Anyway, I can handle myself, I carry a taser.
VADC Bills Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 The Bills are comprised of quite a few players like Whitner (Kelsey and Poz come to mind). These are players that play in the range of average but haven't lived up to the hype. They can do some good things at the same time alot leaves to be desired. When you look at our safety position I think this is the most solid on the team. Whitner doesn't get you the pick as good as Byrd or Wilson. He is solid against the run, but so were Scott and Wilson. I would like to see more of Harris. I would leave this unit untouched. Byrd and Wilson or Byrd and Scott seemed more productive in creating turnovers. I would keep Whitner though I don't think he should start on this rotation. He adds depth. Certainly not worthy of the 8 pick but I am not going to hate him for it. I blame the FO not Whitner. However with the CBA up in the air the Bills may want to generate more draft picks and the safety market is never strong in the draft, he may be the most marketable Bill in the trade market. Problem that I have is that during the pre season several Bills played very well but very seldom saw the field during the regular season. Palmer, Ellis, both Harris, and Lankster. Palmer, Harris played very well once they got the opportunity to get in a game. Our coaches obviuosly hand out starting positions without people honestly earning them on the field. Lets stop annointing and make players honestly earn their spots.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 To be clear, Donte is an OK football player. I don't have any problem with him being on this team nor do I have any problem with shopping him around. He's not a franchise player and the Bills screwed up taking him as high as they did and passing over legit franchise players that were still on the board. He's overrated by some Bills fans that want to defend every decision, but he is hardly the cause of the dysfunction and problems with this franchise; and, only a straw man builder would imply that he is.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 I believe the thread says , "Are there still any believers?" Not, "Donte is the reason why the Bills suck". Now the selection of DW by our joke of a FO certainly led to the tailspin that the Bills are currently in. It sounds like you still won't admit that he's just not what you thought he was going to be. He's a good safety when healthy. He certainly is a much better pick than Ted Ginn and the Fins made the playoffs. Yes, Whitner isn't a superstar. But to single him out when they are so many other problems with the team, especially QB, is dumb IMO.
merlin Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 It will always amazed me that our FO was sitting there on that faithfull day in the war room and agreed that Donte was the right pick. That is who the organization chose to rebuild the Bills. An effin safety. And now we're already saying the same thing about Maybin..... ... at least there's always the hope that a new coaching staff will be able to salvage something out of the Maybin pick by turning him into a LB . GO BILLS!
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