PearlHowardman Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/01...ds-tsa-nominee/ Updated January 01, 2010 TSA Nominee Misled Congress; White House Defends AP Obama's pick to lead the Transportation Security Administration has provided Congress inconsistent reports about running background checks on his then-estranged wife's boyfriend. HONOLULU -- President Barack Obama's pick to lead the Transportation Security Administration has provided Congress inconsistent reports about -- and regrets for -- running background checks on his then-estranged wife's boyfriend two decades ago. Obama voters: - Why did it take President Obama eight months to actually nominate someone to head the TSA? Same for the CBP. - Why wasn't Obama notified of the Dec 25 failed airline terror incident for THREE hours? - Why did Obama automatically brand this failed terror incident as an "isolated extremist"? - Why did the White House send HSS Janet Napolitano and White House spokesperson Robert Gibbs out on the Sunday news programs to say "the system worked."? - Why did Napolitano then go on television Monday morning to say that "the system didn't work."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 - Why did it take President Obama eight months to actually nominate someone to head the TSA? Same for the CBP. Because Republicans have their panties in a knot about his guy wanting to allow TSA to unionzie. - Why wasn't Obama notified of the Dec 25 failed airline terror incident for THREE hours? Because he was in on it, all along. Obama even fails at being a terrorist. - Why did Obama automatically brand this failed terror incident as an "isolated extremist"? Because it was one extremist acting alone. - Why did the White House send HSS Janet Napolitano and White House spokesperson Robert Gibbs out on the Sunday news programs to say "the system worked."? Because the system did work, it was airport security that failed. LINK - Why did Napolitano then go on television Monday morning to say that "the system didn't work."? Because unswayables like you would have a !@#$ing conniption if she didn't act "tough on terror." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 - Why did it take President Obama eight months to actually nominate someone to head the TSA? Same for the CBP. Because Republicans have their panties in a knot about his guy wanting to allow TSA to unionzie. Let's see, allowing them to unionize would give the them right to strike which means the entire air travel system could come to a grinding halt over a labor contract. I'd say it's a well founded objection. - Why did Obama automatically brand this failed terror incident as an "isolated extremist"? Because it was one extremist acting alone. One extremist trained by our old friends in Al Quaeda. Sure, isolated. - Why did the White House send HSS Janet Napolitano and White House spokesperson Robert Gibbs out on the Sunday news programs to say "the system worked."? Because the system did work, it was airport security that failed. Sorry Charlie, they had enough on this guy for a while to rescind the visa. - Why did Napolitano then go on television Monday morning to say that "the system didn't work."? Because unswayables like you would have a !@#$ing conniption if she didn't act "tough on terror." My god, have you listened to this women speak? Does she give you confidence that she is competent in her job? Not many would say that. She may be Obama's worst cabinet choice. What are her qualificaions for this job? She's a big-time lightweight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Sorry Charlie, they had enough on this guy for a while to rescind the visa. No they didn't. But just for fun, tell me what they did have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 No they didn't. But just for fun, tell me what they did have. Enough to put him on a watch list for additional screening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 No they didn't. But just for fun, tell me what they did have. Any number of articles for which you can search state that he was on a terrorist watch list for 2 years. That should have been enough to rescind a visa and put him on a no-fly list. Obama has already made statements supporting that they had enough info. Early investigations into the Christmas Day jet bomb have uncovered ‘systemic’ security flaws, Barack Obama said on Tuesday. ‘It is becoming clear that the system … is not sufficiently up to date,’ he said. ‘A systemic failure has occurred and I consider that totally unacceptable.’ The U.S President said information passed on to U.S. intelligence by Abdulmutallab’s father should have been acted on to stop him boarding the plane. He had been concerned about his son’s behaviour and alerted both the U.S. and Nigerian authorities. Mr Obama said the U.S. would have to act quickly to remedy the flaws in the security system. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...l#ixzz0bO1rOfof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 Sorry, faith. Obama blew it big time! He was completely exposed. He waited 8 months to actually nominate some one to head the TSA. That's INCOMPETENCE. It's got nothing to do with Republicans. Moreover, the WH sent Napolitano and Gibbs out to deflect and spin last Sunday. Trial balloons. It didn't work. Worse, Obama's own agencies like the NSA and CIA are big time arguing about who F'd up regarding the Dec 25 incident. Bottom Line: Obama is a teleprompter with 129 "Present" votes to his credit. That's it - that's all he will ever be. He has NO leadership/executive decision making skills-experience whatsoever. He's really good at issuing statements and making speeches, though! His staff are public relations media people. That's all they will ever be. Next time the terrorists will be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 No they didn't. But just for fun, tell me what they did have. Jesus, You are a !@#$ing idiot. The accused "underwear bomber" made a dramatic final call to his father that he found so alarming, the father approached Nigerian officials who took him directly to the CIA's station chief in the Nigerian capital, sources told ABC News. What did he say that prompted the bomber's father to alert the CIA? Current and former officials of the Nigerian government, including a source close to the suspect's family, say Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, called his father from Yemen with the warning that it would be his last contact. It has previously been reported that the man's father, prominent Nigerian banker Alhaji Umaru Mutallab, went to Nigerian and American officials Nov. 19 to warn them that his son had been radicalized by Islamic militants in Yemen. Details have emerged about Abdulmutallab's final phone call that highlight President Obama's statement that there were "systemic failures" of the country's security system. ABC News' sources said that during Abdulmutallab's final call, he told his father the call would be his last contact with the family. He said that the people he was with in Yemen were about to destroy his SIM card, rendering his phone unusable. The next day the embassy sent out a thin report to U.S. embassies around the world warning Adbulmutallab may be associating with extremists in Yemen. The CIA official compiled two more robust reports following the meeting with the suspect's father. One was sent back to CIA's Langley, Va., the other remained in draft form in Nigeria and was not circulated until after the attempted attack on Christmas Day, according to a U.S. official. In what has been seen as a possible failure to stop the bomber from boarding a U.S.-bound plane, the alert prompted counterterrorism officials to put Abdulmutallab's name into a database of more than half a million others that the U.S. suspects of ties to terrorism, but they did not put him on the country's no-fly list. The information also was not shared with Yemeni intelligence officials, the Yemen government has said. The president was expected to receive preliminary reviews on the security failure today. State Department spokesman Ian Kelly indicated details of the review would not be released. The international investigation into how Abdulmutallab evaded scrutiny turned to Yemen today. Abdulmutallab's visa for Yemen was valid from Aug. 4 to Sept. 21, but he stayed until December, nearly three months longer than was legal. Under Yemen's rules, Abdulmutallab should have been stopped and not allowed on the plane when he left Yemen because he overstayed the visa, Yemeni security officials told The Associated Press today. http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bombers-phone-cal...tory?id=9457361 Now tell us again that they shouldn't of rescinded his visa. Oh and while you're at it, tell us how the Ft. Hood shootings wasn't an act of terrorism, or better yet, find us some recent links from terrorism "experts" that say it wasn't so. Hows that for fun, shmuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Jesus, You are a !@#$ing idiot. http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bombers-phone-cal...tory?id=9457361 Now tell us again that they shouldn't of rescinded his visa. Oh and while you're at it, tell us how the Ft. Hood shootings wasn't an act of terrorism, or better yet, find us some recent links from terrorism "experts" that say it wasn't so. Hows that for fun, shmuck? Dude, !@#$ off with your name calling for five !@#$ing minutes. I !@#$ing get it, his daddy told on him. News flash: that's not enough !@#$ing "evidence" to go through the hoops necessary for the types of "screenings" and "lists" that folks are calling for in an extreme simplification of the process. I'm not going to !@#$ing post the link for the third time that explains the bureaucratic process by which his daddy's tattling was not sufficient to work him through. !@#$ing get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Dude, !@#$ off with your name calling for five !@#$ing minutes. I !@#$ing get it, his daddy told on him. News flash: that's not enough !@#$ing "evidence" to go through the hoops necessary for the types of "screenings" and "lists" that folks are calling for in an extreme simplification of the process. I'm not going to !@#$ing post the link for the third time that explains the bureaucratic process by which his daddy's tattling was not sufficient to work him through. !@#$ing get over it. When your "daddy" contacts the CIA with specific information regarding your son and his contact with radicalized Islamic militants and that this would be his final contact, fearing he may be involved in a future terrorist attack then that is enough. Not to mention his breach of Yemenis Visa priveleges (if thats what you want to call it) or the fact that he was caught lying to British authorities for approval of a British Visa. The issue is that this was a "systemic failure". The whole problem is the line of thinking of people like Spencer Ackerman and the rest of the liberal blogosphere. The only argument he has that this wasn't a systemic failure, was one of a technical beauracratic reason, that everything went through the system the way is supposed to. The way the procedure works is, as what happened after the fathers walk into the embassy in Abuja, he goes on something called the TIDE list, which is sort of a database around the government, in both the intelligence community and the law enforcement community, and the diplomatic community, of people you have sort of pre-probable-cause suspicion about. There are reportedly about 550,000 individuals or pieces of data on that list. What’s supposed to happen from there, and what did happen in this case, was that an interagency review occurred, asking, “Do we have enough information to recommend this individual to a further list called the Terrorist Screening Database?” And what happens is, the FBI, the intelligence community, the National Counterterrorism Center, the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security evaluate that question according to a criteria. And that criteria is specific information leading to credible cause for reasonable suspicion, meaning it’s still pre-probable cause—it would not hold up in a court of law—but would be enough, from an intelligence and Homeland Security perspective, to recommend that person go to the Terrorist Screening Database. That’s housed in the FBI. And what would happen there would be the State Department would receive notice from the intelligence community that it should revoke the guy’s visa bull ****! That's why this was a "systemic failure" and the whole system needs to be revamped. The issue wasn't that protocol wasn't followed, it is that the system that the protocol was followed in is a flawed one. Too much beauracratic timely red tape, just like what had happened in many other terrorist attacks. The other thing that I find funny but no too surprising is that you would use what Spencer Ackerman says to justify your argument. You know the guy who writes for The New Republic and blogs with firedoglake, two very liberal opinion outlets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Sorry, faith. Obama blew it big time! He was completely exposed. He waited 8 months to actually nominate some one to head the TSA. That's INCOMPETENCE. It's got nothing to do with Republicans. Moreover, the WH sent Napolitano and Gibbs out to deflect and spin last Sunday. Trial balloons. It didn't work. Worse, Obama's own agencies like the NSA and CIA are big time arguing about who F'd up regarding the Dec 25 incident. Bottom Line: Obama is a teleprompter with 129 "Present" votes to his credit. That's it - that's all he will ever be. He has NO leadership/executive decision making skills-experience whatsoever. He's really good at issuing statements and making speeches, though! His staff are public relations media people. That's all they will ever be. Next time the terrorists will be successful. Hey, I agree with you. I was simply pointing out to the cat that Obama himself had admitted the guy should not have been on the plane. Mr. cat stated that not enough evidence existed to put him on the do not fly list or revoke a visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted January 2, 2010 Author Share Posted January 2, 2010 Do your own damn research. I'd think about answering but I know you don't care about the answers, nor would you listen to answers if they were given. Translation: Obama's incompetence is something you really don't want to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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