Thurman#1 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform...aspx?id=4275259 And they might even put Trent on IR, since he's apparently out for the year, breaking the all-time record. Our franchise's two highest years of all-time in terms of having to put guys on IR are this year and the year before last. Sorry, you coincidence fans, but this is happening for a reason. I'm sure that our FO realizes at this point, and that we'll have a new guy next year. But injuries have had a major part in destroying two seasons for us. Never mind whether we would have been any good, but if we had been able to keep our original o-line together and at least get them all a lot of reps together, we could have at east said that in one respect, the season was building towards something. Yeah, you can't blame anybody for the freak injuries like Wood's. But for knee injuries, concussions, and the great majority of all NFL injuries, all of them absolutely CAN be greatly reduced by exercise and conditioning and equipment choices (Mandate the Riddell Revolution or the other helmets with anti-concussion features - yeah, I know that policy now is that players can choose - CHANGE THAT!!) Get Rusty back, or at least get one of the highest quality guys in the league.
Thoner7 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 The best athletes are athletic enough to avoid injuries more so than others. We have terrible athletes (by NFL standards)
HelloNewman Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 bad conditioning=tired players=tired players getting hurt + small players+club jauron+ no hitting in practice+bad conditioning+no streching= injuries
BillsfaninFl Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 The best athletes are athletic enough to avoid injuries more so than others. We have terrible athletes (by NFL standards) I'm not buying that. The best athletes often are among the players who keep themselves in the best shape, so it appears that what you said is the case. But in reality, there are a lot of average players who have long careers partially because they have less injuries, because they keep themselves in great shape. Some teams demand that all their players stay in the best shape possible and some (like the Bills) do not. I agree with those who state that this influences how many major injuries a team averages per season. One ugly, injury prone season can happen to any team. But the Bills have shown a trend of a lot of major injuries during all of Jauron's years here. Therefore, I believe the strength and conditioning program has been a factor.
The Big Cat Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 This thread and everyone calling for a new Strength and Conditioning Coach are !@#$ing retarded.
Thurman#1 Posted December 23, 2009 Author Posted December 23, 2009 The best athletes are athletic enough to avoid injuries more so than others. We have terrible athletes (by NFL standards) Are you kidding? Getting hit hard and from weird angles has nothing to do with athleticism. NFL players have to throw themselves into collisions, have to cut suddenly at times when someone might hit them ... athleticism has nothing to do with it. Takeo Spikes was one of the most athletic men in the league. So was Sam Cowart. There are a million more examples. You need a state of the art strength and conditioning staff. And we haven't got one.
Thurman#1 Posted December 23, 2009 Author Posted December 23, 2009 How can a S&T coach help with concussions? First, the better shape your neck is in, the fewer concussions you will have. Secondly, players who wear the Riddell Revolution helmet or the Shutt DNA helmet get fewer concussions. Why does the strength staff mandate these helmets? They look a bit uncool, so players tend to avoid them. MANDATE those helmets.
Thurman#1 Posted December 23, 2009 Author Posted December 23, 2009 bad conditioning=tired players=tired players getting hurt+ small players+club jauron+ no hitting in practice+bad conditioning+no streching= injuries The "no hitting in practice" thing has no basis in fact. There has never been proof or even any indication that that affects injuries. But you're dead on when you say that bad conditioning produces players getting hurt.
Thurman#1 Posted December 23, 2009 Author Posted December 23, 2009 This thread and everyone calling for a new Strength and Conditioning Coach are !@#$ing retarded. Piercing logic there. You really made your point.
The Big Cat Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Piercing logic there. You really made your point. So piercing you chose not to provide any evidence to refute it?
silvermike Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Rusty Jones is now the most overrated man in the history of the Buffalo Bills. Not that he wasn't a good strength coach, but he wasn't some godlike genius either, who had completely solved the problem of football injuries.
fbzh2 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 I'll bet most of the gym rats out there know as much as the gym rat we have as the S&T coach now. We need a REAL pro to help these guys get in and STAY in shape throughout the WHOLE year!
jester43 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Rusty Jones is now the most overrated man in the history of the Buffalo Bills. Not that he wasn't a good strength coach, but he wasn't some godlike genius either, who had completely solved the problem of football injuries. i know. i think he must have 4 or 5 screen names on this site. "strength and conditioning" is not rocket surgery. i'm sure rusty was very good at what he did, but his departure is not the reason we're always hurt. our guys are either smallish and/or too unathletic to stay out of trouble. i know big guys get hurt and great athletes get hurt too, but most big good athletes get hurt less.
johnnychemo Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Coaching is also an issue, as poor technique contributes to injuries as well. You won't avoid all injuries, but properly conditioned athletes with sound technique are less likely to get injured.
Thurman#1 Posted December 23, 2009 Author Posted December 23, 2009 So piercing you chose not to provide any evidence to refute it? Nope. When somebody says "Sucks" I don't feel a need to refute it. It's not quite specific enough to deserve refutation.
Thurman#1 Posted December 23, 2009 Author Posted December 23, 2009 i know. i think he must have 4 or 5 screen names on this site. "strength and conditioning" is not rocket surgery. i'm sure rusty was very good at what he did, but his departure is not the reason we're always hurt. our guys are either smallish and/or too unathletic to stay out of trouble. i know big guys get hurt and great athletes get hurt too, but most big good athletes get hurt less. Funny, Chicago runs the same defense we do, with lots of small guys, and they run it outside in the winter like us. Yet they only have eight guys on IR. What's the name of their strength and conditioning coach again?
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 I read that both Edwards and McGee were placed on IR and Hamndan was resigned.
Thoner7 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Are you kidding? Getting hit hard and from weird angles has nothing to do with athleticism. NFL players have to throw themselves into collisions, have to cut suddenly at times when someone might hit them ... athleticism has nothing to do with it. Takeo Spikes was one of the most athletic men in the league. So was Sam Cowart. There are a million more examples. You need a state of the art strength and conditioning staff. And we haven't got one. You are right, I am so dumb. There is no way that being quicker or having more nimble feet wouldnt allow one to say avoid something one saw come in a better fashion. There is no way that you or I (two people much less athletic than any NFL field player) could possibly be more injury prone than say a Takeo Spikes - because athleticsm has nothign to do with it after all. I guess it is no coincidence that the best athletes are in the best shape, and the ones in best shape are injured less.There is no way a RB with great balance would avoid being put in awkward situation more so than a back with worse balence, or maybe a more elusive back could avoid more direct hits from opponents? There is no way to say - prevent Eric Woods injury - because he was just unlucky, yet maybe if the rest of our line could say "block" there is potential that maybe NO ONE WOULD HAVE ROLLED ON HIS LEG BECAUSE SAID PLAYER WAS BLOCKED/NOT ROLLING ON THE GROUND AND ONTO HIS LEG. I dont recal who let that big monster of a man tackle Fitz and break Woods leg, but there is no way in hell that a better athlete may - just may - have been able to block him, because injuries are jsut so freak there is no way to prevent it. There is furthermore no posssible way that a QB who can avoid the rush with movement in the pocket, hit is hot reads, and generally avoid getting hit (you know, the things that make a QB a good QB) would help keep him off the injured list. I bet its just a stroke of luck that Brett Favre and the Manning Brothers never miss a game - maybe they have that mutation Wolverine does? Man, none of those situations have ever happened in football and havent hurt our team at all this last pitiful decade. Injuries are as random as raindrops and absolutely none of it should ever fall on the players shoulders EVER!!!!!!!!!!! I am so dumb.
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