major Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Here is Rick Gosselin's article from today's Dallas Morning News. We are mentioned in the article numerous times. This is definitely a reason why our Bills are where they are today. Enjoy! http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...elin.3bba7.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got_Wood Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Here is Rick Gosselin's article from today's Dallas Morning News. We are mentioned in the article numerous times. This is definitely a reason why our Bills are where they are today. Enjoy! http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...elin.3bba7.html The fallacy to that argument is that you have to have someone in place who is worth "continuing" with. Your organization has to be trending towards the positive, and giving you reasons to want to continue with the current coaching staff. Dallas has improved since last season and continues to head towards the playoffs. Wade Phillips isn't a bad coach at all. I know I didn't want him out of here. The dreaded Music City Miracle doomed Phillips career in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Here is Rick Gosselin's article from today's Dallas Morning News. We are mentioned in the article numerous times. This is definitely a reason why our Bills are where they are today. Enjoy! http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...elin.3bba7.html Yeah that's it. Couldn't be that continuity happens because the QB and HC are good. Nope. We just need to bring back Jauron, and retain Trent. Jauron and Trent just need another 5 years to prove everybody wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 this is akin to saying the more you get laid the better looking you become... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Yeah that's it. Couldn't be that continuity happens because the QB and HC are good. Nope. We just need to bring back Jauron, and retain Trent. Jauron and Trent just need another 5 years to prove everybody wrong. Trent was fine when he got here, but he has regressed because of the worst OL in history and subpar offensive weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 this is akin to saying the more you get laid the better looking you become... I thought it was that the longer you live, the healthier you were. But, I like this plan too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 this is akin to saying the more you get laid the better looking you become... Yup. If the Bills had played a healthy Rob Johnson every game since 1998, he wouldn't magically become a Super Bowl MVP like Peyton Manning is. It's worth cautioning against change for the sake of change (dumping successful schemes/coaches/players), but seriously, it's not continuity that causes winning, it's winning that causes continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I'm all for maintaining continuity at coach & QB, so long as the coach & QB do not suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 this is akin to saying the more you get laid the better looking you become... I thought it was the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 it's not continuity that causes winning, it's winning that causes continuity. That is it in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Totally wrong. In 2008, the Steelers won the Superbowl with Tomlin in his second season. In 2005, the Steelers won the Superbowl with Big Ben in his second season. In 2002, the Bucs won the Superbowl with Gruden in his first season. In 2001, the Pats won the Superbowl with Brady and Belichick both in their second season. In 2000, the Ravens won the Superbowl with Billick in his second sesaon and Dilfer in his first season. In 1999, the Rams won the Superbowl with Kurt Warner in his first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Totally wrong. In 2008, the Steelers won the Superbowl with Tomlin in his second season. In 2005, the Steelers won the Superbowl with Big Ben in his second season. In 2002, the Bucs won the Superbowl with Gruden in his first season. In 2001, the Pats won the Superbowl with Brady and Belichick both in their second season. In 2000, the Ravens won the Superbowl with Billick in his second sesaon and Dilfer in his first season. In 1999, the Rams won the Superbowl with Kurt Warner in his first season. Big deal. So, 60% of the time it isn't true. That doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I'll give RW some credit for hiring a real GM in 01. Good initiative, bad judgment on TD. But he followed that bad decision up with having Levy and Brandon as top football man, both of whom relied on Guy and Modrak for personnel advice. It's no surprise they haven't figured out who can coach and play QB. And then hoping DJ would mentor a QB was another laughable assumption, given that he'd never found a decent QB in years. For the life of me, I can't understand why RW is cheap when it comes to front office management. They're responsible for finding the players that make the big bucks, particularly the top draft picks and big money UFA's that have busted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Yup. If the Bills had played a healthy Rob Johnson every game since 1998, he wouldn't magically become a Super Bowl MVP like Peyton Manning is. It's worth cautioning against change for the sake of change (dumping successful schemes/coaches/players), but seriously, it's not continuity that causes winning, it's winning that causes continuity. Very well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Totally wrong. In 2008, the Steelers won the Superbowl with Tomlin in his second season. In 2005, the Steelers won the Superbowl with Big Ben in his second season. In 2002, the Bucs won the Superbowl with Gruden in his first season. In 2001, the Pats won the Superbowl with Brady and Belichick both in their second season. In 2000, the Ravens won the Superbowl with Billick in his second sesaon and Dilfer in his first season. In 1999, the Rams won the Superbowl with Kurt Warner in his first season. Pretty much. Tomlin is still with the Steelers. Roethlisberger is still with the Steelers. Brady is still with the Patriots. Belichick is still with the Patriots. That leaves Gruden, Billick, Dilfer, and Warner. The only one of those that was immediately released after a Super Bowl was Trent Dilfer. And only an ignoramus would claim Trent Dilfer was the sole or even the main reason the Ravens won the Super Bowl. So all this data shows is a strong confirmation that success leads to continuity and not the other way around. If you look even closer, the Steelers, Ravens and Patriots have had continuity in their front office and continue to be among the better organizations. When you have a system that works, it is smart to stick with it and not !@#$ it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Here is Rick Gosselin's article from today's Dallas Morning News. We are mentioned in the article numerous times. This is definitely a reason why our Bills are where they are today. Enjoy! http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...elin.3bba7.html You need to find the right coach and the right QB. No use sticking with someone just to stick with them when it becomes blatantly apparent they won't get the job done. Would sticking with Jauron and Edwards have led to more than 7 wins in any of the next 5 seasons? Doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Here is Rick Gosselin's article from today's Dallas Morning News. We are mentioned in the article numerous times. This is definitely a reason why our Bills are where they are today. Enjoy! http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...elin.3bba7.html So if Richie Kotite and Jeff George were together for say 7 seasons, you are saying that team would be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 In the Bills case, the argument for continuity isn't a complete picture. The front office Donahoe brought in has largely remained intact, and the results produced have been consistent as well. Continuity in the coaching staff hasn't been possible with Gregg Williams choosing not to take an extension and instead going out as a lame duck and Mike Mularkey quitting outright. The only head coach fired was Dick Jauron. The offensive coordinator position has been a roller coaster ride. Mike Sheppard was inexperienced, fired, and replaced by Gilbride. Gilbride led a pretty good offense (relatively speaking), but got taken to the curb with Williams. Mularkey brought in his buddy Clements and then took play-calling duties away from him and fired him before jumping out the cargo door himself. Fairchild quit to take a head coaching position at CSU. Jauron then used his standard bag of tricks and promoted whoever was the QB coach twice with Schonert and then Pillsbury. On the defensive side there has been more consistency, Jerry Grey and Perry Fewell holding down the fort -- an honorable mention to Dick LeBeau though as a "consultant". The QB position has been a tilt-a-whirl. Johnson, Van Pelt, Bledsoe, Matthews, Losman, Holcomb, Edwards, Fitzpatrick, and now maybe Brohm or Hamdan. Good golly, Miss Molly. The obvious crushing decision was trading up to pick Losman. The shock waves from that blunder are still ripping through 1 Bills Drive. Despite starting behind the 8-ball with the late hire of Williams and his hiring of an inexperienced staff, Donahoe was able to attract some notable help in Gilbride and LeBeau. Williams himself has continued to show that he is a capable NFL DC. They were also able to attract top free agents at that time and they had a QB that appeared in a Pro Bowl. The wheels did come off and one could argue it was too early and continuity should have prevailed. It does appear that Donahoe and Williams had a falling out. Still, the direction of the team then had a totally different look and feel to it than did the latest regime's efforts. Four years in and the offense is far worse than when they started, there is no QB, no OL, the DL is old and ineffective, virtually no experience in the coaching staff, very few veterans, and the only top free agent signed was an old WR on whom most other teams issued press announcements that they didn't want his services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I hate that word "continuity". Continuity was the reason Dick Jauron lasted as long as he did as the Bills head coach. The media gave Ralph cover for way too long of a time using that word "continuity" over and over again, when it was clear to the fans that Jauron was a clueless loser on par with a Rich Kotite. Why did the media do this? Because they were wimps who were more afraid of drawing fire by offending the nicest man in football, rather than do their jobs. It's about finding a new GM, head coach and QB to begin the major reconstruction process. Continuity is a word for losers who need to find an excuse to keep their jobs 2 years longer than they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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