Nanker Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Judges, 19 1: And it came to pass in those days, when there was no king in Israel, that there was a certain Levite sojourning on the side of mount Ephraim, who took to him a concubine out of Bethlehemjudah. 2: And his concubine played the whore against him, and went away from him unto her father's house to Bethlehemjudah, and was there four whole months. 3: And her husband arose, and went after her, to speak friendly unto her, and to bring her again, having his servant with him, and a couple of asses: and she brought him into her father's house: and when the father of the damsel saw him, he rejoiced to meet him. 4: And his father in law, the damsel's father, retained him; and he abode with him three days: so they did eat and drink, and lodged there. 5: And it came to pass on the fourth day, when they arose early in the morning, that he rose up to depart: and the damsel's father said unto his son in law, Comfort thine heart with a morsel of bread, and afterward go your way. 6: And they sat down, and did eat and drink both of them together: for the damsel's father had said unto the man, Be content, I pray thee, and tarry all night, and let thine heart be merry. 7: And when the man rose up to depart, his father in law urged him: therefore he lodged there again. 8: And he arose early in the morning on the fifth day to depart: and the damsel's father said, Comfort thine heart, I pray thee. And they tarried until afternoon, and they did eat both of them. 9: And when the man rose up to depart, he, and his concubine, and his servant, his father in law, the damsel's father, said unto him, Behold, now the day draweth toward evening, I pray you tarry all night: behold, the day groweth to an end, lodge here, that thine heart may be merry; and to morrow get you early on your way, that thou mayest go home. 10: But the man would not tarry that night, but he rose up and departed, and came over against Jebus, which is Jerusalem; and there were with him two asses saddled, his concubine also was with him. 11: And when they were by Jebus, the day was far spent; and the servant said unto his master, Come, I pray thee, and let us turn in into this city of the Jebusites, and lodge in it. 12: And his master said unto him, We will not turn aside hither into the city of a stranger, that is not of the children of Israel; we will pass over to Gibeah. 13: And he said unto his servant, Come, and let us draw near to one of these places to lodge all night, in Gibeah, or in Ramah. 14: And they passed on and went their way; and the sun went down upon them when they were by Gibeah, which belongeth to Benjamin. 15: And they turned aside thither, to go in and to lodge in Gibeah: and when he went in, he sat him down in a street of the city: for there was no man that took them into his house to lodging. 16: And, behold, there came an old man from his work out of the field at even, which was also of mount Ephraim; and he sojourned in Gibeah: but the men of the place were Benjamites. 17: And when he had lifted up his eyes, he saw a wayfaring man in the street of the city: and the old man said, Whither goest thou? and whence comest thou? 18: And he said unto him, We are passing from Bethlehemjudah toward the side of mount Ephraim; from thence am I: and I went to Bethlehemjudah, but I am now going to the house of the LORD; and there is no man that receiveth me to house. 19: Yet there is both straw and provender for our asses; and there is bread and wine also for me, and for thy handmaid, and for the young man which is with thy servants: there is no want of any thing. 20: And the old man said, Peace be with thee; howsoever let all thy wants lie upon me; only lodge not in the street. 21: So he brought him into his house, and gave provender unto the asses: and they washed their feet, and did eat and drink. 22: Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him. 23: And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly. 24: Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. 25: But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. 26: Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light. 27: And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. 28: And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. 29: And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel. 30: And it was so, that all that saw it said, There was no such deed done nor seen from the day that the children of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt unto this day: consider of it, take advice, and speak your minds.
DC Tom Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 interested in your response No you're not. You're only interested in your responses.
Gene Frenkle Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 22: Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him. 23: And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly. 24: Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. 25: But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. 26: Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light. 27: And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. 28: And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. 29: And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel. 30: And it was so, that all that saw it said, There was no such deed done nor seen from the day that the children of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt unto this day: consider of it, take advice, and speak your minds. Yep, the Bible's still all kinds of !@#$ed up.
Magox Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Of course the atheist zealot would chime in on this topic. Could you imagine his reaction if there was a topic regarding Jesus and his possible views on how Climate Change is simply an act of God?
Gene Frenkle Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Of course the atheist zealot would chime in on this topic. Could you imagine his reaction if there was a topic regarding Jesus and his possible views on how Climate Change is simply an act of God? As opposed to gang raping and dismembering your mistress. Edit: Only after offering up your daughter to the same fate.
John Adams Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Of course the atheist zealot would chime in on this topic. Could you imagine his reaction if there was a topic regarding Jesus and his possible views on how Climate Change is simply an act of God? This is a "topic"? I thought it was a cry for DC Tom's attention.
Magox Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 This is a "topic"? I thought it was a cry for DC Tom's attention. That too
RkFast Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 As opposed to gang raping and dismembering your mistress. Edit: Only after offering up your daughter to the same fate. You dismember fetuses, so Im confused by your "outrage" here.
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Puritans and others who disagreed with the Anglican church and were anti-papists took the Bible literally, forming a large part of American Protestantism. This tradition is not an athiest's tradition, but one that began many years ago in the 17th century. This whole commentary is a way to make athiests out to be the 'evil bad guys' without taking into consideration the millions of Christians who take pride in literally interpreting the Bible. Silly argument...
Magox Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 You dismember fetuses, so Im confused by your "outrage" here. That doesn't count, silly
Gene Frenkle Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 You dismember fetuses, so Im confused by your "outrage" here. No I don't. Way to fall back on abortion though. I guess it's ok to do whatever you like to whoever as long as you wait for that person to be born, right?
Endzone Animal Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 You guys are badly misrepresenting the rape story from Judges 19. Without the context of the chapter to follow, which reveals how the gang raping and murder was the most ghastly of sins that would be harshly and profoundly avenged, you get the false impression that this behavior was somehow endorsed by God. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, this heinous act was no more approved by God than the acts of Sodom and Gomorrah. The entire tribe of Benjamin was effectively wiped out as payback for being complicit in the crime. Take my advice: Stop cherry picking bible verses to fit your agenda. In the end, it will only make you look foolish.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Stop cherry picking bible verses to fit your agenda. In the end, it will only make you look foolish. Good luck with that endeavor.
Alaska Darin Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Take my advice: Stop cherry picking bible verses to fit your agenda. In the end, it will only make you look foolish. They don't need anything for that, really.
Nanker Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 You guys are badly misrepresenting the rape story from Judges 19. Without the context of the chapter to follow, which reveals how the gang raping and murder was the most ghastly of sins that would be harshly and profoundly avenged, you get the false impression that this behavior was somehow endorsed by God. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, this heinous act was no more approved by God than the acts of Sodom and Gomorrah. The entire tribe of Benjamin was effectively wiped out as payback for being complicit in the crime. Take my advice: Stop cherry picking bible verses to fit your agenda. In the end, it will only make you look foolish. So, the Bible Cliff Notes are good enough? The Jews kept the whole story in their scriptures as did the Christians because it's a hell of a story. I didn't post Judges 20 - so Judges 19 isn't a worthy story? Then why cherry pick the moral of the story? Okay, here's history for you. Hitler was a bad guy who got shot in the head and died. We think. He's still dead. We think. Now there's a story worthy of a spot in the Cliff Notes library of individually wrapped moral candies. No don't go reading Ann Frank or anything about the Warsaw Ghetto. It'll be a waste of time and you'll only make you seem foolish if you talk about it.
Endzone Animal Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 So, the Bible Cliff Notes are good enough? The Jews kept the whole story in their scriptures as did the Christians because it's a hell of a story. I didn't post Judges 20 - so Judges 19 isn't a worthy story? Then why cherry pick the moral of the story? Okay, here's history for you. Hitler was a bad guy who got shot in the head and died. We think. He's still dead. We think. Now there's a story worthy of a spot in the Cliff Notes library of individually wrapped moral candies. No don't go reading Ann Frank or anything about the Warsaw Ghetto. It'll be a waste of time and you'll only make you seem foolish if you talk about it. This argument lacks intelligence.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 This argument lacks intelligence. As do most around here. By God's grace the majority of the faithful around here are Christians. Can't imagine Del-lapel posting that nonsense on an islamic Jihad website, can you?
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