SpecialK15 Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 With injuries and the number of players on IR continuing to mount. I must pose the question. Are injuries a result of poor play (position technique, mistakes made on coverage, etc.)? In my opinion, I say yes. As we've seen this year, a core group of the, seemingly less exclusive by the week, IR club is comprised of the OL. Poor play and being over matched by the defenses we've played probably caused them to make mistakes/missteps thus making injuries more prone to happen. That being said, we do have a huge number of (sub/)average players and not enough studs, which make playing playoff caliber teams even that more difficult. A vicious cycle...
freeagentqb Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 Most likely just coincidental but i have noticed a lot less injuries since Jauron left. We used to have 5-6 guys go down per game with some major stuff. How weird...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 1) smallish, high-effort players 2) stupid schemes 3) poor strength and conditioning program 4) refusal (before Perry) to practice in the elements
stuckincincy Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 With injuries and the number of players on IR continuing to mount. I must pose the question. Are injuries a result of poor play (position technique, mistakes made on coverage, etc.)? In my opinion, I say yes. As we've seen this year, a core group of the, seemingly less exclusive by the week, IR club is comprised of the OL. Poor play and being over matched by the defenses we've played probably caused them to make mistakes/missteps thus making injuries more prone to happen. That being said, we do have a huge number of (sub/)average players and not enough studs, which make playing playoff caliber teams even that more difficult. A vicious cycle... There's nothing to substantiate it of course, but I still maintain that the film that all teams saw - Mitchell's game#2 cheap shot to TB's Leftwich's throat late in a game already decided made BUF players fair game. Gloves off. My 2 cents yada yada yada...
dave mcbride Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 The Bills suffer an average number of injuries, and in fact have suffered fewer injuries than the Pats from 2006-2008 (see Mark Gaughan's chat today on the News' site for details). The idea that the Bills suffer more injuries than other teams is a myth that won't go away. It may seem worse for the Bills because the backups are so poor.
stuckincincy Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 The Bills suffer an average number of injuries, and in fact have suffered fewer injuries than the Pats from 2006-2008 (see Mark Gaughan's chat today on the News' site for details). The idea that the Bills suffer more injuries than other teams is a myth that won't go away. It may seem worse for the Bills because the backups are so poor. Is your avatar one of the old parts from the '50's - '60's vibrating football field toys?
CodeMonkey Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 It may seem worse for the Bills because the backups are so poor. Bingo!
PushthePile Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 1) smallish, high-effort players 2) stupid schemes 3) poor strength and conditioning program 4) refusal (before Perry) to practice in the elements Refusal to practice in the elements caused some of our injuries?
silvermike Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 I think also, many of the players who get injured are so irrelevant, that they just go on IR rather than lingering on the roster. I don't really know about the severity of most of these injuries, but it's not like there's a reason to save a roster spot for Marcus Buggs for 4-5 weeks.
dave mcbride Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Is your avatar one of the old parts from the '50's - '60's vibrating football field toys? Indeed, it is! I tried to find the classic white QB figure (no pun intended) -- which was in every set I played with -- but yellow was the best I could find. Electric football (with the little cotton ball) has to be on of the craziest games ever created.
dave mcbride Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 I think also, many of the players who get injured are so irrelevant, that they just go on IR rather than lingering on the roster. I don't really know about the severity of most of these injuries, but it's not like there's a reason to save a roster spot for Marcus Buggs for 4-5 weeks. That's an excellent point - the IR numbers are high because the scrubs are so dispensible. If they get a high ankle sprain in week 3, you may as well IR them.
justnzane Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Refusal to practice in the elements caused some of our injuries? sure, you need to have some experience in the elements you may face, thus outdoor northern teams tend to have an advantage on those 10 degree nites in december. But Dick(less) did not have the team hit each other in practice, which imo is the biggest reason for injury. that is like a boxer training for a 12 round fight without ever getting hit.
dave mcbride Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 sure, you need to have some experience in the elements you may face, thus outdoor northern teams tend to have an advantage on those 10 degree nites in december. But Dick(less) did not have the team hit each other in practice, which imo is the biggest reason for injury. that is like a boxer training for a 12 round fight without ever getting hit. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...t&p=1672689
justnzane Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...t&p=1672689 you realize that bellycheck is notorious for reporting injuries and making stuff up for the injury report?
PushthePile Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 sure, you need to have some experience in the elements you may face, thus outdoor northern teams tend to have an advantage on those 10 degree nites in december. But Dick(less) did not have the team hit each other in practice, which imo is the biggest reason for injury. that is like a boxer training for a 12 round fight without ever getting hit. The no hitting in practice is a possibility but I still don't get the elements theory. The Bills haven't even seen a game yet this year that would be anything more than slightly chilly. They could have practiced outside all year and I don't see it making any difference on the injury report.
MaineMoxie Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 The Bills suffer an average number of injuries, and in fact have suffered fewer injuries than the Pats from 2006-2008 (see Mark Gaughan's chat today on the News' site for details). The idea that the Bills suffer more injuries than other teams is a myth that won't go away. It may seem worse for the Bills because the backups are so poor. Really? We've got 16 players on IR this season and had 17 on IR in 2007. Something just doesn't seem right about that. Maybe the Bills have suffered fewer overall injuries, but how many season-ending injuries have been suffered by other teams? We have six offensive linemen on IR this year. That's got to be approaching some kind of record.
mikedeering Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 how bored ar we? this is a disgusting disgrace to humanity. kill me
The Big Cat Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 How does not practicing in the elements prevent the injuries that happened in 70 degree weather? Schouman, Mitchell, Butler, and Wood ALL got rolled on. Nothing at all to do with aggression, strength, or even preparation. Just dumb luck.
justnzane Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 The no hitting in practice is a possibility but I still don't get the elements theory. The Bills haven't even seen a game yet this year that would be anything more than slightly chilly. They could have practiced outside all year and I don't see it making any difference on the injury report. i agreee. hence me skirting around the weather part and suggesting the contact part
gobillsinytown Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Here's the number of guys on IR for the worst teams in the league: Oakland - 4 Cleveland - 12 Washington - 10 Chicago - 5 Detroit - 16 Tampa Bay - 15 St. Louis - 11 Seattle - 4 Buffalo - 16 Doesn't look like there's a specific correlation between injuries and poor play........
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