bartshan-83 Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Bull ****. All those kids care about is winning. They came to that university because HE recruited them. They are there mostly because of him. sorry, no they wont' understand and they won't give a **** he is leaving them for the 'blessed' ND. Yeah it sucks...it sucks a lot. But its how the game is played. Strong word is that Notre Dame negotiated with Stoops last week. They didn't get him. If he had left, you damn well know it would have been immediately. Would you be trashing your beloved Bob had that been the case?
BuffaloBud Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 If there was a playoff, he would certainly be staying to try and win the National Title. I don't think the school would allow him to stay if they were in the BCS champ game if he took another HC coaching position.
Acantha Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Bull ****. All those kids care about is winning. They came to that university because HE recruited them. They are there mostly because of him. sorry, no they wont' understand and they won't give a **** he is leaving them for the 'blessed' ND. ****, !@#$, ****!!!!!!! Am I cool now, too?
vincec Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 One player is "the team"? And just to put into context, the comments are aimed at Kelly leaving at all. Huh? Did you mean aren't aimed at Kelly leaving at all? If so, then what are they aimed at? It sounds like he is very bitter about the coach leaving, going so far as to call him a liar.
CountDorkula Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 This just shows how messed up college football is, and how little a non title bowl means. The team is 12-0 with a chance to finish #2 in the polls and he just takes off. Why can't they finish the season first. If there was a playoff, he would certainly be staying to try and win the National Title. But this proves every other bowl game is meaningless. I feel sorry for the players who have busted their a$$es all year long. We blame these players for being "young punks" in the NFL but look what they are learning from. How do you tell 18-22 year old kids that hey everything i told you the past years, months is all B.S. see ya im off to coach somewhere else, Good luck in playing in one of the most important games in your lives, i wont be there for you.
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 You can try to be cool... but can never be ICE. ****, !@#$, ****!!!!!!! Am I cool now, too?
Acantha Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Huh? Did you mean aren't aimed at Kelly leaving at all? If so, then what are they aimed at? It sounds like he is very bitter about the coach leaving, going so far as to call him a liar. I was just saying that the comments were directed at him leaving, not about him leaving before the bowl game (which was the direction the thread had turned at the point you posted the quotes). Sure, players are going to be upset about the coach leaving, especially after they were recruited by that coach, but that's just the way of things. Coaches get promoted. They take better jobs. They take more money. I don't think anyone (outside of Cinci) could blame Kelly for taking the ND job. The kids can be bitter all they want, but in the end it's just life. I would like to hear what they think specifically about the bowl game though, since that part is at least debatable.
Endless Ike Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 This just shows how messed up college football is, and how little a non title bowl means. The team is 12-0 with a chance to finish #2 in the polls and he just takes off. Why can't they finish the season first. If there was a playoff, he would certainly be staying to try and win the National Title. But this proves every other bowl game is meaningless. I feel sorry for the players who have busted their a$$es all year long. If he wants the x million per year, he needs to start recruiting now...in another month it will be too late this happens every single year, it's hardly worht noting
Gordio Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Guess what? ALL the bowl games are meaningless. Even the "Official Championship of the SEC and BIG 12" game being played on March 23d or whatever date they've pushed it out to this year. How can anyone blame the guy? His big motivation is to finish #2? Gee, thanks. Obviously, unless you are Florida, Alabama, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, USC, Miami or Florida State, the BCS has absolutely no interest in what you may have accomplished on the field. Kelly has a chance to break into that group if he can restore Notre Dame to a national power. Can't argue with you. You are going to see a playoff pretty soon, especially with Congress getting involved now. I love football but that is why for my money you can not beat the NCAA tournament. Neutral courts, one & done, bracket format, cinderalla upsets, it has got it all. Beats the bowls & beats the NFL playoffs imo.
Gordio Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 I hear what you're saying. Maybe a rule could be put in place prohibiting contact untll after the bowls. The problem with that is they lose all that time in recruiting. I really do not see any easy solution to it. It does suck for cincy though.
BuffaloWings Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 I was just saying that the comments were directed at him leaving, not about him leaving before the bowl game (which was the direction the thread had turned at the point you posted the quotes). Sure, players are going to be upset about the coach leaving, especially after they were recruited by that coach, but that's just the way of things. Coaches get promoted. They take better jobs. They take more money. I don't think anyone (outside of Cinci) could blame Kelly for taking the ND job. The kids can be bitter all they want, but in the end it's just life. I would like to hear what they think specifically about the bowl game though, since that part is at least debatable. The hard part here is that the players were 16-17 years old when they were sold on the school by the head coach. That's a very impressionable age and you can easily believe that the coach is going to be there forever....well, at least until after you graduate. This is why I can understand Gilyard's reaction. I agree that it's part of the business of being a big-time head coach, but is it easy enough to try and tell the kids "Don't be surprised if your coach is gone after a year or two"? If I was told that, I'd wonder why I was even going to the school. I don't think there's an easy way out of this. If Kelly decided to take the job, he really has to start right away, but I'd still feel jilted if I was a player.
billsfreak Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 This just shows how messed up college football is, and how little a non title bowl means. The team is 12-0 with a chance to finish #2 in the polls and he just takes off. Why can't they finish the season first. If there was a playoff, he would certainly be staying to try and win the National Title. But this proves every other bowl game is meaningless. I feel sorry for the players who have busted their a$$es all year long. There is nothing out of the norm about this. The most important part of being a successful college coach is recruiting and this is a key time for that. It does kinda suck for the players at Cincy, but it shouldn't be any different for them for a bowl game, although they are probably going to get spanked by Florida. You can't blame Kelly though, look at it this way, he won every game on his schedule, and still doesn't get a chance to play for a National Title. There is no way on this planet, if he was to win every game on his schedule at Notre Dame that he doesn't play for a National Title, plus I am sure he is making significantly more at Notre Dame.
John Cocktosten Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 The Hypocracy is gross. A player has to wait a year after transferring to another college to play but a coach can leave before the most important game of the year and start recruiting right away for his new school? Obviously it's not Kelly's fault, the system is ass backwards.
KD in CA Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 If he wants the x million per year, he needs to start recruiting now...in another month it will be too late Exactly. Since Weis was fired, every one of his recruits has received 100 phone calls from other coaches trying to persuade them to bail on Notre Dame. A one month delay could cost him 2 years in the rebuilding process. And I would love to know how many of the "he owes it to his players" whiners would turn down a higher paying job at a more prestigious company because they felt they 'owed something' to their coworkers. Gimmie a break.
Gordio Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Exactly. Since Weis was fired, every one of his recruits has received 100 phone calls from other coaches trying to persuade them to bail on Notre Dame. A one month delay could cost him 2 years in the rebuilding process. And I would love to know how many of the "he owes it to his players" whiners would turn down a higher paying job at a more prestigious company because they felt they 'owed something' to their coworkers. Gimmie a break. Yep, exactly, it is how the game is being played. If he tells ND that he is going to wait until after the bowl game, chances are they move on & hire someone else. It is not he was the 1st choice(stoops/meyers/hell even Edsel possibly was ahead of him). My guess is Ginyard will get ove rit as soon as he signs his name to his 1st NFL contract sometime next year & becomes an instant multimillionaire.
MarkAF43 Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 There are some good points, he needs to start recruiting asap, but as mentioned by previous posters, the players have to feel like they are getting the short end of it because of their head coach bailing out on them. It's a slippery slope, and hopefully he can get ND on the right track, and hopefully the system will be reviewed, where maybe a player shouldn't have to wait a year before being able to play after transferring schools.
KD in CA Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 There are some good points, he needs to start recruiting asap, but as mentioned by previous posters, the players have to feel like they are getting the short end of it because of their head coach bailing out on them. It's a slippery slope, and hopefully he can get ND on the right track, and hopefully the system will be reviewed, where maybe a player shouldn't have to wait a year before being able to play after transferring schools. Perhaps if there were games in December rather than a six week wait to play an exhibition game, and those games allowed teams to compete for a national championship, this sort of thing wouldn't happen. I'm pretty sure Kelly would not have accepted any other job this week if he had been busy preparing for Cincinnati's quarterfinal game against Iowa this Saturday. Yet another by-product of this broken system.
billsfreak Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 At least he didn't do what a few coaches have done over the past few seasons, sign an extension at Cincy then bail a few weeks or months later. Kelly did what any sensible and successful college coach would have done, you can't blame him for anything, it is the system and he didn't create it.
Frit0 Bandit0 Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 He needed to go before he got humiliated by the Gators
Mr. WEO Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Nothing new these days. It's the "All About Me" era. D'Antonio bolted to MSU a few years back, Rodrgiuz whatever stiffed WVU, Petrino lifted a leg on ATL, Saban dogsh*tted the Fins, etc. If you look for ethical behavior, football is a bad place to find it these days. Sad - but that's what it is. At least the guys you mentioned were bolting for a better team. Cincy would destroy ND today.
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