stuckincincy Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 I like Pike a lot too, but my main concern is he looks very frail. I'm not concerned about his stature, Biscuit. While he has fine pocket presence, the offense U Cinn ran (with a bevy of fine receivers) generally kept him free of hits. He was often blitzed, but drifted back and away from the pressure - that's certainly a plus. UC's OL isn't talked up, but they did the job. He's an interesting prospect - but like most all college qbs, had time afforded that doesn't often occur in the NFL. But he is a "gamer" - no doubt there; I've never seen him get rattled. Late 2nd round? Middle 3rd? His stock will rise or fall in their Sugar Bowl game against FLA. Speaking of, they've faced a steady diet all season long of teams running to keep the ball away from their quick strike offense. And faced several strong-running qbs. They should be well-prepared for Tebow's scoots. My guess is that FLA gets favored by 10.
Gordio Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 I'm not concerned about his stature, Biscuit. While he has fine pocket presence, the offense U Cinn ran (with a bevy of fine receivers) generally kept him free of hits. He was often blitzed, but drifted back and away from the pressure - that's certainly a plus. UC's OL isn't talked up, but they did the job. He's an interesting prospect - but like most all college qbs, had time afforded that doesn't often occur in the NFL. But he is a "gamer" - no doubt there; I've never seen him get rattled. Late 2nd round? Middle 3rd? His stock will rise or fall in their Sugar Bowl game against FLA. Speaking of, they've faced a steady diet all season long of teams running to keep the ball away from their quick strike offense. And faced several strong-running qbs. They should be well-prepared for Tebow's scoots. My guess is that FLA gets favored by 10. The opening line is 8 & my guess by game time is it will go as high as 12pts. Not sure which way to go on this one.
quikchomp Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 I'd still be on board with taking Tebow, provided it's a 2nd or 3rd round pick, and Jake Locker was no longer available. In the first round, and maybe second, we desperately need to draft an LT and/or a big behemoth NT. I really feel like we have good pieces for a 3-4, minus the all-important NT.
RyanC882 Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 I don't care if he cries, breaks glass, breaks wind, or throws a temper tantrum; I want a guy that cares that much about winning as opposed to the "Well, whattaya gonna do?" mentality that infests our current crop of non-QBs. He's going in the top 20...all it takes is one team. Just like Vince Young? You may want to inform Superbowl winning coaches like John Gruden and Bill Belichick of your opinion, because they're on the record as not sharing it...and, no offense, but I trust their evaluation skills more than yours. +1 Tebow will go in the top 20. And that "one team" will be the Raiders. hahaha. Only team that drafts worse than the Bills.
Fewell733 Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 I don't care about him crying. I care that he can't throw NFL passes. the Vince Young comparison is not apt. Vince Young has a very strong arm, but a low, slowish delivery. He also has insane speed that causes big defensive problems. Tebow on the other hand has a weak arm with a very slow delivery and isn't fast enough to be a threat against NFL defenses around the edge. Tebow clearly does have a much better mentality and competitive fire than Young, but if he tries to run like he did in college he will be injured by second week of the season. He will be battered beyond recognition. His arm is like Chad Pennington's with a slower release and bad accuracy. No thanks.
stuckincincy Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 Tebow will go in the top 20. And that "one team" will be the Raiders. hahaha. Only team that drafts worse than the Bills. 4-8, same as BUF, and beat CIN, PGH, PHI this season.
BuffaloBud Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 Now how do you know that he cant? Tebow has never done anything that resembles NFL QB play, but to say he cant to it is crazy. If anything I would say he 100% can because they guy just doesn't accept failure. You wont see him give up on his career like Losman and now Trent have thats for sure. Tebow will be a seasoned pro at taking snaps from center and taking 3,5 and 7 step drops by the third day of the senior bowl if not before. That crap can be learned by complete idiots in about half an hour. Once his throwing motion is re-worked by an NFL caliber QB coach he will be fine. His accuracy is good but will get exponentially better once his footwork and throwing motion are corrected. Arm strength will improve too. Do you guys remember Aaron Rodgers in college? He threw like a 13 year old girl. How he throws now is 100% different. If Rodgers can change I have no reason to believe Tebow cant. NFL teams draft people on potential - see Aaron Maybin - and no QB in this draft has half the potential Tebow does. He will get drafted early whether he should be or not. What he said. Plus, he has more "grey matter" upstairs and will out-think the other qb's in the list.
Jim in Anchorage Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 You want Bree's what in a Bills Uniform??? Man, you laying in the weeds for me?
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 He is not an NFL qb. You saw Saturday why he wont be. The only time he really hurt Bama was when he took off running. Thats great in college, but he will get eaten alive in the NFL. I have watched him play for 4 years. He will be out of the league in 4 years with too many concussions. Take Bradford in the 1st. Get your franchise qb.
PromoTheRobot Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 I want the QB that brings his team back from 21 points down, in a conference championship, on the road, in a snow storm. That QB is Cincinnati's Tony Pike. PTR
Flbillsfan#1 Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 I don't care about him crying. I care that he can't throw NFL passes. the Vince Young comparison is not apt. Vince Young has a very strong arm, but a low, slowish delivery. He also has insane speed that causes big defensive problems. Tebow on the other hand has a weak arm with a very slow delivery and isn't fast enough to be a threat against NFL defenses around the edge. Tebow clearly does have a much better mentality and competitive fire than Young, but if he tries to run like he did in college he will be injured by second week of the season. He will be battered beyond recognition. His arm is like Chad Pennington's with a slower release and bad accuracy. No thanks. Tebow does not have a weak arm. It is stronger than Trent Edwards, & he is a BIG WELL BUILT guy so I think he can take a hit. He has also played against the best defenses outside of the NFL.
stuckincincy Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 The opening line is 8 & my guess by game time is it will go as high as 12pts. Not sure which way to go on this one. Either club could win big, or it might be a last minute squeaker - I'm no bettor - but were I, I'd leave this one alone and look elsewhere. Little school vs. big school, little school that ended up playing worthy opponents, comeback wins, etc. Too many variables...
Mr. WEO Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 C'mon folks. Only those seriously lacking gray matter believe that Tebow can be a good NFL QB. Trust me folks, he can't. Let me just say this.... when it comes time for guys like Tebow and McCoy to have to put a pair of man pants on for the senior bowl and hula bowl... when they have to play under center and simulate a pro offense instead of a spread, you're going to see just how badly these guys project at the next level. what kills me is, how poorly prepared Tebow's college coaches prepared him for the next level... unless, of course the next level they were preparing Tebow for was the CFL... I think he'd have a decent chance there. Almost 60% 0f all snaps in the NFL are now from the shotgun. The number is increasing annually.
Red Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 I want Tebow's attitude and leadership in Trent Edwards' body. Well, maybe with a granite head...
flmike Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 Yeah baby, Go Noles! If Miami wanted a bowl game, they should have won more. Bowls are about TV, not marginally better records. No. 1 thing in a QB should be "is he a winner?" Look at the greats. They all won at every level and refused to accept losing. The one notable exception was Archie Manning. He deserved a better fate.
Lofton80 Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 The Senior Bowl is all about the practice sessions. Many scouts don't even watch the game. Tebow and McCoy will get evaluated at their pro days. The scouts will look at their film to determine accuracy, decision making under pressure, competitiveness, etc. I doubt either one of them makes or breaks their opportunity in the Senior Bowl. C'mon folks. Only those seriously lacking gray matter believe that Tebow can be a good NFL QB. Trust me folks, he can't. Let me just say this.... when it comes time for guys like Tebow and McCoy to have to put a pair of man pants on for the senior bowl and hula bowl... when they have to play under center and simulate a pro offense instead of a spread, you're going to see just how badly these guys project at the next level. what kills me is, how poorly prepared Tebow's college coaches prepared him for the next level... unless, of course the next level they were preparing Tebow for was the CFL... I think he'd have a decent chance there.
McBeane Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 Wow. I hope you are joking. That kid has NO ARM. Like, a Chad Pennington arm. Bradford, Mallet or Clausen please. Apparently you haven't watched Mallet play. He may be able to throw the ball 100 miles an hour, but he is just awful. Everything about his game other than throwing power is below average.
Fewell733 Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 Tebow does not have a weak arm. It is stronger than Trent Edwards, & he is a BIG WELL BUILT guy so I think he can take a hit. He has also played against the best defenses outside of the NFL. he has a weak arm, I think it's quite a bit weaker than Trent's. But the thing with Trent is that he has a weakish arm but with a very quick delivery. Tebow's delivery is very slow. As for his size, I think he's big enough to think he can take shots he shouldn't be taking. the SEC has tough defenses, but nothing like the size/speed combos he's going to see on Sundays.
MikeSpeed Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 If Tebow was on the Bills this year we'd see him crying a lot. Seriously all of this years QB's scare me. There is no clear cut #1 QB in this draft. 1 or 2 may pan out, but it's difficult to determine who those guys are. I wouldn't draft a single one of them in the first round. I highly doubt that this years QB class will resemble the class or 83. More than likely it will resemble the class of 99.
The Poojer Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 not like i have anything else to do..... Man, you laying in the weeds for me?
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