mead107 Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Just win and let the chips fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Just win and let the chips fall. And the wine flow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 And the wine flow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 We need to continue losing as we need to get some real players in here. Winning just makes getting better that much more difficult, assuming that we bring in some talent evaluators who actually know what they are doing. As a Bills fanatic who now roots for them to lose with no emotion, this is really hard to take. We need to start to turn this around. Hopefully, we can contend for a playoff spot in 2012, but it will take 3 years (if we are lucky) to be competitive with all of the holes this sad sack team has right now. Sorry, Just stating reality.... Opinion is not reality. And the two are not that difficult to tell apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Just Drink Baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 yes moving up a few spots in the draft will make all the difference. LOL it won't give us more draft picks. If the Bills had lost one more game, just one more game, in 2003, Roethlisberger would be our QB right now, and JP Losman would be some guy we never even really noticed. So, yeah, moving up a few spots in the draft can, indeed, make a huge huge difference. Laugh as much as you like, it can be huge sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 It does - if a Peyton Manning is on the board. Yeah, but you never know if a Peyton Manning is on the board till a year or two after the draft. There might well be a Peyton there this year. Or a Drew Brees, or a Haloti Ngata or a Patrick Willis (another guy we lost out on by one pick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I agree that Palmer is a step or two down from Manning. But that does not indicate that draft position seldom matters! Look at the 2004 draft. Eli Manning went first overall, Philip Rivers fourth overall, and Ben Roethlisberger eleventh overall. After you got out of the top 15, who else was there, quarterback-wise, that year? Losman went 23rd overall, but it's not exactly as though he's had a Hall of Fame career. More generally, how often do you see a top level quarterback who wasn't picked in the top 15 of the draft? Tom Brady was a sixth round pick, and Drew Brees was chosen very early in the second round. But guys like that are the exceptions. Normally if you want a Peyton Manning, an Eli Manning, a Philip Rivers, or a Matt Ryan, you're going to have to take him in the top 15; and very often in the top 5. Thank you. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 apparently you've been living in a cave the last month. Ralph is committed to making changes and Russ Brandon himself wants to bring in a football guy to run the personnel dept...whether we win out or lose out won't change that. Losing is never a positive thing...short term or long term. Once you start rooting against a team, you're no longer a fan That's YOUR definition. Not THE definition. I remember rooting for the Bills to lose the last game of the season for the right to draft O.J. Simpson. Smartest call I ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 With all the people rooting for the Bills to lose, this might be the most retarded the board has ever been. Why? We see the reality of this team. We need an entire new front office and Ralph has said we will get it. so losing out gives the NEW STAFF more ammo in which to turn this team around. It also puts more pressure on Ralph to actually follow through with his promise of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 If the Bills had lost one more game, just one more game, in 2003, Roethlisberger would be our QB right now, and JP Losman would be some guy we never even really noticed. So, yeah, moving up a few spots in the draft can, indeed, make a huge huge difference. Laugh as much as you like, it can be huge sometimes. And if we'd won one more game last year, maybe Maybin would have been gone and we'd have been forced to take Orakpo or Oher. Again, the Bills have drafted #1 overall four times. O.J. Simpson and Bruce Smith worked out pretty damn well. Walt Patulski and Tom Cousineau were complete disasters. With few exceptions, it's how you draft, not where you draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I strongly disagree with the bolded statement. A while back, Bill Polian had the first overall pick in the draft. Instead of trading down, he stayed put and took Peyton Manning. Do you care to explain to him that it didn't matter where he drafted? A few years later, Polian had the fourth overall pick in the draft. Mike Ditka wanted Ricky Williams, and offered Polan a king's ransom in exchange for trading down a few slots. Polian refused, stayed at fourth overall, and took Edgerrin James. Or take the Patriots, which traded away two picks in the lower part of the first round to obtain just one top ten pick. Draft position does matter! Maybe to a good team with decent talent evaluators, it doesn't matter to the Buffalo Bills is what he is saying. This Bills front office could have a pick in the top 5 for years and still not get it right. The Colts have been in the playoffs 10 years straight and still manage to get better talent on their team then the Bills who haven't seen the playoffs in that time. The same thing could be said about the Steeler's and Patriot's and most good team that stay at the top, it is because of their talent scouts and their smarter guys in the room on draft day. Plus the fact that their owner doesn't handcuff their teams by making his own stupid selections and screwing the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Why? We see the reality of this team. We need an entire new front office and Ralph has said we will get it. so losing out gives the NEW STAFF more ammo in which to turn this team around. It also puts more pressure on Ralph to actually follow through with his promise of change. The thing is, the change the team needs is a president like Ozzie Newsome / Bill Polian mold, and Ralph Wilson to stay away and let them run the team. It means the owner should be doing something else besides making his own picks on draft day. I'm not so certain that Wilson can keep his nose out of team affairs even if he does relinquish the president job. If he only just hires a new GM, then things still might not change very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Maybe to a good team with decent talent evaluators, it doesn't matter to the Buffalo Bills is what he is saying. This Bills front office could have a pick in the top 5 for years and still not get it right. The Colts have been in the playoffs 10 years straight and still manage to get better talent on their team then the Bills who haven't seen the playoffs in that time. The same thing could be said about the Steeler's and Patriot's and most good team that stay at the top, it is because of their talent scouts and their smarter guys in the room on draft day. Plus the fact that their owner doesn't handcuff their teams by making his own stupid selections and screwing the team. If you think the Bills will mess up their picks no matter where they are in the draft, you basically have two choices: 1) give up hope now, or 2) focus on getting a good GM in here to start making good use of our picks! That good GM is going to be a lot better off with early picks than later ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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